Who was involved in James and Lily's death?

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 90340

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Pippin wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps Voldemort didn't think Lily had defied him the 
requisite 
> > number of times when he confronted her, and this is why he 
> > wanted her to stand aside. 
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this.  Was he thinking 'I'm not sure if 
> she's had two strikes or three, so I'd better attack Harry in case 
> it's three, but if it's only two, then attacking her might help 
> fulfil the prophecy by converting her to a triple (if I fail), and 
> thus Harry into my nemesis, so I'd better not do that'?  I know 
he 
> has a propensity for plans so complex that they are virtually 
> guaranteed to fail, but I sense a biscuit is being taken here.

Pippin responds:

A biscuit??? ::googles::oh, do you mean " a cake" as in "that 
takes the cake" ? 

No, I think his reasoning was something like, "Well, only the 
Longbottoms have defied me three times...must be them. No 
wait, prophecies are tricky, I'd better eliminate all the couples 
who've defied me more than once, heheh, *that's* a short 
list...(ticks off on long white fingers) " McKinnons, Bones, 
Prewitts, yes, what about Potter--*he's* defied me three times, 
but I'm not sure about her, was she in that raid or not? Oh, never 
mind, I'll kill the husband and the child first, then it won't
matter. " 

Remember, Voldemort doesn't know about all the marks as his 
equal blather. He thinks all he has to do is kill the child before
it's old enough to be dangerous to him.

Dave:
> All theories which hinge on his hesitation in attacking Lily 
seem to  me to founder on the split-second length of that 
hesitation, which > suggests economy of effort as the motive:
> 
> "Stand aside, you silly girl."
> "Never!"
> "I said, stand- oh, I can't be doing with this, Avada Kedavra, 
now  for the child."

Pippin:

But Harry remembers quite a bit more than a split second of  
dialogue:

"Not Harry, not Harry, please not Harry!"
"Stand aside you silly girl...stand aside, now..."
"Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead--"
"Not Harry! Please...have mercy...have mercy...."

"Not Harry! Not Harry! Please--I'll do anything--"
"Stand aside. Stand aside, girl!"


Voldemort doesn't seem to be enjoying the screams, yet he 
doesn't stun her into silence or blast her aside. He seems to 
really want her to step out of the way of her own free will. 
 
> 
> I rather like the idea of Voldemort gold-plating his Herod-like 
> credentials for evil-doing by deliberately going about ineptly 
> attacking parents whose children were born in late July, so as 
> to  have an excuse to attack the children, though.

LOL!

Pippin