Mimble Wimble (longer)

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No: HPFGUIDX 90404

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Sue wrote: 
> > Or 
> > (and I tend to think this is more likely) Hagrid is aware of 
EXACTLY 
> > how awful Dudley has been to Harry because Dumbledore has 
watched 
> > Harry "more closely" than Harry ever knew.  Perhaps DD shared 
some of 
> > the lowlights of Dudley's behavior with Hagrid before he went to 
get 
> > Harry.
> 
> Carol:
<snip> But I think
> also that punishing the son punishes the parents (they'd be more 
upset
> by Dudley's pig's tail than one of their own). Also Dudley's being 
so
> fat probably suggested the idea of a pig to Hagrid's mind, and 
maybe
> the temptation was too great to resist. :-)
>

Bookworm:
I realize that it wasn't Hagrid casting the spells, but the Ministry 
officials seemed to have no trouble dealing with Mr. Roberts at the 
QWC.  Maybe there is a difference because Hagrid's powers aren't as 
strong.  But when Hagrid gets angry, I don't think *he* is thinking 
clearly.  So the idea of punishing the parents but attacking Dudley 
seems too subtle for him.  And in the scene, Hagrid was furious with 
Vernon.  If he knew how Vernon had treated Harry (which doesn't seem 
likely given that he didn't know Harry hadn't been told anything 
about his parents), then that would increase Hagrid's anger.  If 
that were the case, I think I think his fury would be beyond his 
control.  He was obviously controlled enough to deliberately turn 
his attack away from Vernon and toward Dudley for no apparent 
reason.  "Control" and "Hagrid" aren't often found in the same 
sentence, IMO. <G>  

Also, Hagrid attributes the pig's tail (instead of a complete pig) 
to Dudley's personality - "Meant ter turn him into a pig, but I 
suppse he was so much like a pig anyway there wasn't much left ter 
do." (p59) As angry as he was, I think there would have been a lot 
of magical weight behind his spell, but it didn't work.  Hagrid 
isn't the most reliable source.  I think he found the easiest answer 
to fit the situation.  

But is it really what happened?  I don't think so.  I think there 
are a few more puzzle pieces that JKR hasn't given us yet.

Another thought - Dumbledore was the Transfiguration teacher when 
Hagrid was expelled, not Headmaster (SoC).  Hagrid didn't say that 
Dumbledore persuaded the Headmaster to let Hagrid stay on as 
gamekeeper, or that the Headmaster let him stay. Hagrid said that 
*Dumbledore let* him stay on.  Dumbledore's role becomes ever more 
like "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." (to borrow a 
quote)

Ravenclaw Bookworm