How Many DEs Left? Was:Dark SHIPS ( was Re: Possession)

[lizvega2]

No: HPFGUIDX 90887

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Annemehr:
>  
> I have no quibbles with most of Mandy's post, but I'm sure that LV 
has
> more than two DEs left after the MoM battle.  I did a post on it,
> #85064, where I lay out all the reasoning, but the conclusion I 
drew
> was that there are more than six at large.  How many more than six
> there are depends on how many DEs Voldemort passed in silence in 
the
> GoF graveyard without naming: 
> "[Voldemort] walked on.  Some of the Death Eaters he passed in
> silence, but he paused before others and spoke to them."  (GoF, 
ch. 33)
> I figure it's a pretty safe bet there are at least ten DEs still at
> large (and I agree with Draco that the others won't stay in Azkaban
> for long).
> 
> Carol responds:
> I would think that to except for a remark by Harry in OoP (I can't
> remember where, but it might be in relation to the first DA 
meeting or
> the Quibbler article) stating that the saw "about a dozen Death
> Eaters" in the graveyard. He identifies six of these in GoF 
(Malfoy,
> MacNair, Avery, Nott, Crabbe,and Goyle). Wormtail, of course, is 
also
> present. The cowardly Karkaroff is absent, as is the ex-DE, Snape.
> Three have died in LV's service (Rosier, Wilkes, and ???). That 
would
> leave about five unnamed Death Eaters, if Harry's "dozen" is 
correct.
> Ten more are in Azkaban at that time but escape later: The three
> Lestranges, Rookwood, Antonin Dolohov, perhaps Jugson and 
Mulciber,and
> three more who apparently are never named. Of the ten escapees, six
> are back in prison. Bellatrix and the three unnamed DEs not 
present in
> the DoM remain free. Of the six formerly free Death Eaters Harry
> named, Malfoy, Avery, MacNair, Nott, and Crabbe are also in 
Azkaban.
> Only Goyle remains free (unless he was at the DoM but wasn't 
named).
> By my count, that leaves Bellatrix, Goyle, Wormtail, three Azkaban
> escapees and about five unnamed DEs from the graveyard still at
> large--a total of eleven.
> 
> Yet at one point in GoF (I think it's when Mad-Eye Moody shows 
Harry
> the photograph of the original order), someone (Mad-Eye or Sirius?)
> tells Harry that the old Order of about twenty people was 
outnumbered
> twenty to one--meaning that there were originally about 400 Death
> Eaters. Maybe this is a Flint, like the mismatched numbers of 
students
> at Hogwarts in various scenes, but if not, where are all the Death
> Eaters now? Three dead, two AWOL, eleven still with LV, and 
another in
> Azkaban as of the end of OoP. That's twenty-seven of the original 
400. 
> Malke that 28 counting Regulus, murdered by his fellow DEs for 
wanting
> out. What happened to all the others?
> 
> Carol, who apologizes for not having time to read Annemehr's 
earlier
> post or look up the quotes



LizVega here:

I could be wrong, which wouldn't be a first, but was Moody/Sirius? 
refering to DE's, specifically, when he said the order was 
outnumbered 20-1? There may be a significant difference between 
Death Eaters, and lesser followers of LV. Perhaps the reference to 
being outnumbered was to illustrate just how many people were under 
his control at that time. That could mean that the 400 or so 
followers were DE's, people like Wormtail who working as Double 
Agents, people under the imperious curse, dark creatures like 
dementors and giants, etc. I just can't see there being 400 DE's- 
and only seeing a fraction of that number in the graveyard in GOF.

LizVega....who's having some serious qualms about Fred and George at 
the moment.