The Second Voldemort War, Stage II

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> > Neri again:
> > It is interesting that most people here think that LV can't get 
> > information from Harry's mind. After all, Harry himself was able 
to 
> > receive much more than emotions. He received detailed 
perceptions, 
> > both visual, sounds and touch. So do you suggest that the channel 
> > between the minds is only in one direction? From LV to Harry but 
not 
> > the other way around?
> > 
> > I'd also add that there is at least one piece of canon that 
strongly 
> > suggests the channel is bi-directional. This is the strong urge 
that 
> > Harry feels, just before portkeying out of DD's office, to strike 
at 
> > DD. How would LV know that Harry is near DD (a very rare event) 
and 
> > this is the moment to strike? The only reasonable explanation I 
can 
> > think of is that LV got some visual of DD's face through the 
channel. 
> > And note that Harry is not aware of this. He is only aware of 
wanting 
> > to kill DD. This means that if LV gets perceptions from Harry 
through 
> > the channel, Harry would not know about it unless LV tries some 
> > murderous move. This raises the question: how much of Harry's 
> > emotions and perceptions have already leaked through the channel 
> > without him being aware at all? 
> 
> 
> Carol:
> The distinction I was making is between information (facts and ideas
> expressed in word--actual thoughts) and the perceptions and emotions
> you're speaking of. It's the same distinction Snape makes between
> Legilmency and mind reading: "The mind is not a book, Potter, to be
> opened at will and examined at leisure. Thoughts are not etched on 
the
> inside of skulls, to be perused by any invader. The mind is a 
complex
> and many-layered thing" (OoP Am. ed. 530). So however skilled the
> Legilmens at seeing and interpreting memories and sensing emotions, 
he
> can't read the thoughts that the mind expresses in words. So
> information expressed in words, like the address of the Order of the
> Phoenix, would be safe from a Legilmens even without the Fidelius
> charm. Or, put another way, LV would not be able to read the words 
in
> my mind as I compose this post. Of course I'd have a hard time doing
> it if he were standing next to my computer!

Neri:
A good point. I agree. The information Harry gets from LV mind is in 
the form of perceptions, not words or what psychologists 
call "declarative" memory (such as, "my name: Voldemort; My rank: 
Dark Lord; My ID#: 666" and so on). But detailed perceptions can be 
also very important for espionage, too. Note that Harry was actually 
getting direct visual and sound from a top-security meeting between 
LV and his most trusted officers. If the channel is bi-directional 
(which we don't know for sure yet, but it certainly seems possible) 
then LV might be getting detailed visual and sound from Harry's eyes 
and ears. Everything Harry sees or hears is automatically suspicious 
as stuff that leaked to the enemy.

Also, Snape was able to see in Harry's mind not only immediate 
perceptions, but also perceptions stored as memories. The memory of 
running away from the dog and climbing up the tree, for example. If 
this scar channel thing works similar to the usual Legilimency 
(again, we don't really know that, but it seems possible) then LV 
might be able to see and hear any perceptual memory of Harry. For 
example, he could replay the memory of hearing Pensieve!Trelawney 
reciting the full prophecy. And note that,unlike Harry, LV is 
supposed to be an expert Legilimens.

Neri