PoA Plot does not work.

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No: HPFGUIDX 91178

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "johnbowman19" <jhnbwmn at h...> 
wrote:
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>Okay so the first time Harry is at the lake for the FIRST 
> time, he sees himself across the lake? How can that be? Follow my 
> thoughts, because the narration is told in a line. He goes down to 
> the lake to save Sirius and blacks out. Then he wakes up in the 
> hospital wing, and DD and Hermione tell him about the time turner 
> and he goes back in time for the FIRST time. Then still on the 
First time he goes to the lake and drives away the dementors. Look at 
this graph:
> 
> 
> 	         Sees himself
> 
> Harry blacks out          Goes to the hospital wing then goes back 
> in time and saves himself
> 		          
> This is how it is told, but it could not have happened this way. 
How could Harry see himself, when he had not gone back in time yet? 
It is impossible. See how the there is introduction of another line 
>of time before he himself starts that line of time? 


JKR is not doing time lines here. She is doing classical timetravel - 
when you travel back in time, you travel to the very same time (or, 
the same time line) that happened already. It's weird talking about 
time as though it were a place, but it's the best way for me to think 
about it: when Harry returned to the past, he returned to the very 
same past he had occupied before. Which means, that there have ALWAYS 
been two Harrys and two Hermiones at that point in time. 


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>Let me try and give and example. If I had a time turner here 
> say I wanted to go back in time and retake a test I took. Now the 
> first time I took the test I would not see myself, because I did 
not decide to go back in time before the action took place, or even 
if I did decide to do it, I would have to take the test before I 
>could go back in time and do it again. 

Well, if you had the kind of time turner that Harry and Hermione 
used, there would be two of you sitting there doing the test. One 
past to which to return. You're thinking in concepts (time lines) 
that have been introduced to solve the inherent paradox of time 
travel, exemplified by killing yourself in the past (the paradox 
being that, if you killed yourself in the past, then you wouldn't 
exist in the present, so there isn't a you to go back to the past and 
kill yourself - so, killing yourself in the past makes it logically 
impossible for you to kill yourself in the past).


Naama