PoA Plot does not work.

[quigonginger]

No: HPFGUIDX 91183

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "johnbowman19" <jhnbwmn at h...> 
wrote:
> Hey all
> 	After re-reading PoA, something occurred to me. Okay we all 
> know about the time-tuner and how it allowed Harry to rescue 
Sirius. 
> There is something about the order of events that does not make 
> sense. Okay so the first time Harry is at the lake for the FIRST 
> time, he sees himself across the lake? How can that be? Follow my 
> thoughts, because the narration is told in a line. He goes down to 
> the lake to save Sirius and blacks out. Then he wakes up in the 
> hospital wing, and DD and Hermione tell him about the time turner 
> and he goes back in time for the FIRST time. Then still on the 
First 
> time he goes to the lake and drives away the dementors. Look at 
this 
> graph:
> 
> 
> 	         Sees himself
> 
> Harry blacks out          Goes to the hospital wing then goes back 
> in time and saves himself
> 		          
> This is how it is told, but it could not have happened this way. 
How 
> could Harry see himself, when he had not gone back in time yet? It 
> is impossible. See how the there is introduction of another line of 
> time before he himself starts that line of time? He should not have 
> been there to save himself the first time because he had not gone 
> back into yet. 
(snip the rest)

Ginger here:
I usually leave the time travel intracacies to others, but the 
basics, I understand.

Let's set it in the mundane world. 
You and I are standing on a street.  The time is 7:00.  You walk into 
the grocery store.  From 7:00 to 7:20, you decide which loaf of bread 
you want.  From 7:20 to 7:40, you decide on a package of bologna.  
>From 7:40 to 8:00, you pick out a brick of cheese.  You pay and come 
back to me.  I time-turn you back one hour.  You go into the library 
and read for an hour, checking your watch occasionally.  You come out 
at 8:00.  

Now, while you were in the library, where were your groceries?  Were 
they with me on the street?  No.  They were in the store.  You had 
not bought them yet.  If you checked your watch at 7:24, you (the 
first you) would have your bread in hand and would be looking at the 
bologna.  No one could have bought cheese you were going to bring out 
of the store at that time, or you wouldn't buy that brick of cheese.  
It's still in the future, but since we know which brick it will be, 
that will be the brick you choose.  

When you return from the library, the groceries will be there with 
me, but (assuming you (#2) missed seeing the time-turn ceremony,) 
they would have been there for only a bit.  I would have only been 
there alone for one hour.  During that hour, you would have been in 
the store and in the library at the same time.  

Can you say that you were not in the library at 7:45 as you had not 
been time-turned yet?  No, you were there.  But yes, you had not yet 
been time-turned.  That happened at 8:00.  The confusion lies in the 
fact that we only see things from the past as effecting the future, 
and not things from the future effecting the past. 

Does this help?  I hope so!  
best wishes, and a couple of ibuprofin, Ginger