HOW many classmates?/ Are there an equal number of students in each house?
Jim Ferer
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Mon Feb 23 23:08:45 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 91503
Ffred: I get the impression from the books that once JKR had said
publicly that there are around 1000 students at Hogwarts, all the
references to numbers (not only this one, which I hadn't noticed
before, but also the Yule Ball, the exam scene, etc) are all written
with that in mind. <<<
Melz: For Harry's year, there should be 5 boys and 5 girls in his
house... right? Logically, wouldn't that mean that there are 40 in
each year, and around 280 students in the school...? "
The "number of students" argument is one of the oldest on this board
and sometimes most contentious. The Harry Potter Lexicon has a good
précis of the arguments for all sides. I am one of the principals of
a middle number between 450 and 500. The most numerous party is
the "about 300" party.
I think this is way too small for a viable wizarding society, and
there are a number of canon hints for a larger number, but plenty of
evidence for the smaller number, too.
The notion I wanted to argue against is the "5 boys, 5 girls in each
house/ each year" argument. There is strong evidence against it and
only assuming for it.
We're pretty sure there's five boys in Gryffindor in Harry's year.
If there's more in another room, we haven't heard about them, and we
should have. We've only heard of three girls: Hermione, Lavender,
and Parvati. We don't know if there's all there is or if there's
more, and ****we know nothing about other Houses or other years.****
I say we absolutely can't make any assumptions about any other House
or year.
The Sorting Hat says that it will look in your head and "put you
where you ought to be." No allocation. No quota. No ten per house
per year. The Hat puts students where they should go based on their
personalities and traits, and lets the chips fall where they may.
How could it do anything else? We know a magical quill writes down
the name of a magical child when he or she is born, and those
children are invited to Hogwarts when they turn 11. Over time the
number will average out, but there's room for variation from year to
year.
If you accept there's no quotas, then a lot of things are possible.
It seems intuitive that there are a lot more "ordinary" kids
(Hufflepuffs) than brainy Ravenclaws, heroic Gryffindors, or
ruthless Slytherins. There's no evidence one way or the other. And
you have to wonder why a mere 300 students study in that enormous
castle.
There's really a problem with any number you can come up with. Using
usual parent/child proportions, I came up with a wizard population of
only about 4,000 if there's only 300 students, not nearly enough to
support a Quidditch league, Diagon Alley, Bertie Bott's, Gladrags,
Flourish and Blott's, the _Daily Prophet_, and so on and so on.
JKR's, shall we say, imprecisions are going to fuel this forever.
Jim Ferer
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