Order Headquarters

Hitomi japanesesearcher at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 26 00:07:50 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 91670

> Kathy's thoughts:
> The problem I see is "they" (like Narcissa) know that Kreacher 
lives in the 
> Blacks' Manor. They have also been told (by Kreacher) that Black 
feels that 
> Harry is now regarding himself as both father and brother. How 
would 
> Kreacher have known this info. unless Black is residing with 
Kreacher. They 
> also know that Black is part of the Order. Therefore, the Black 
Manor may be 
> deduced as being the headquarters for the Order.

Hitomi:
I'm completely with you, but here's my thing: I highly doubt the 
Order would use a Manor that a lot of the pure-blooded and wealthy 
dark wizards knew about.  I'm sure they know the Blacks had to live 
somewhere, but if the estate is still in use, or even still in 
existence, isn't something I think they would know.

I look at the situation with Dobby - Harry knew who he belonged to 
Dark wizards, but he had no idea to whom Dobby belonged, and Dobby 
couldn't tell him.  He just deduces the fact upon meeting Lucius 
Malfoy at the end of Book 2.  I doubt Narcissa or Bellatrix would 
recognize Kreacher, house-elves don't strike me as something they 
would give much notice to, and how many estates and house-elves are 
owned by the wealthy families?  I have a feeling Kreacher was 
someone that could give them information on Sirius as far as his 
habits and relationships, but as to where he was located?  That 
isn't something that could be known, assumed, perhaps, by the 
Malfoys, but Sirius could have just relocated Kreacher to where he 
was at a given moment, not necessarily the Manor.

The point I was trying to disprove is that the Malfoys know where 
the Order is located.  They might know, but not necessarily.  
Kreacher isn't a dead giveaway, and even if they do know that 
Kreacher was still residing in the old Black Manor, they still can't 
penetrate its protections, or begin to know where it is located - 
it's unplottable, and has probably been moved around.  And, as 
Louise explained, the Fidelius Charm makes it a rather 
inconsequential point.  Kreacher could find his way back, but he 
could never lead the Malfoys to the Manor.

At any rate, I'm just saying that the Manor could still be safe 
premises for the Order of the Phoenix, though I would be surprised 
if DD didn't change headquarters on an average basis, anyway.  
Besides, we're not entirely sure who the Manor belongs to now.  
Blood relatives (as in Narcissa, Bellatrix, and Tonks) or Harry.  
So, I guess it's just a Book 6 question to wait on ;)

~ Hitomi





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