Back from Brazil (Cho/Marauders Map/Neville/Why is OOtP original/ Fudge and Daily Prophet/Pensieves/ HP main characters could die/Peeves/ JKR Magical World/Ron as a Knight/Broomsticks)

Fri Feb 27 00:15:38 UTC 2004

No: HPFGUIDX 91745

Almarë for everyone in HPforGrownups:

There and here back again is Samwise Weasley, directly from Brazil to
HP4GrownUps, with a more (old) replies.

Before the replies, hearty thanks for Joy, Susan and Manya for the
reception. And thanks Joy for your approval of my English. I will
try to scribe the most correctly possible, but, if I have some slip,
please correct me. 

Okay, time for replies:
===========================================================================================================================================About: Cho
==========================================================================================================================================="But she really knows next to nothing about Harry himself, except for
the whole "Boy Who Lived" legend, unless you count Quidditch, and the
depressing topic of Cedric. In all honesty, I never liked Cho, and on
that date, the whole time I was yelling in my head for her to stop
trying to manipulate him for assurance, because Harry doesn't
understand, and she just ended up hurting both of them." (Hitomi)

IMHO, Cho had left Harry's story as she had entered it: as another
Quidditch rival. The "Cho rona", as we in Brazil call her ("Crybaby
Cho"), IMHO has sought Cedric in Harry, in at no time she had a little
care about the feelings or anything in Harry. Something in me says
that Cho only looked Harry as "The Boy Who Lived", not as Harry (as
Luna did, IMHO). I didn't like Cho a lot... She looked very
egotistical and superficial for me.
===========================================================================================================================================About: Marauder’s Map
==========================================================================================================================================="What do you think?? I think they showed up twice, Lupin was focused
on the original set of Harry and Hermione." (Tonya)

Your idea is okay for me, but I have another: the Time Turner generates an
anathema in time, so he's not caught by anything that's monitoring
the "real" time/space flux. This is based in the principle that
nothing could be at same time in two places, and, IMHO, Marauder's Map
was designed by this principle. I believe that could be possible for
someone create a Map that catches Time Turner's users, but that could
be a VERY GREAT magical work, and even the Marauders being so smart,
that couldn't produce such a powerful magical item in school time.

"I have always thought that the map only shows people who are moving
around. So if someone is still, like sitting in a chair, it would not
show them. Canon says things like Peeves bogging, DD pacing, Snape
moving......" (Tonya)

That's good, and should explain the "not-appearing" of Harry and Mione
in Marauder's Map, 'cause she stilled the most time in the Forbidden
Forest next Hagrid's Hut. So, it's not difficult to think that, at
some way, Marauder's Map only detect movement, and not precisely. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Neville and Harry twins?
==========================================================================================================================================="This sounds a lot like Luke and Leia to me. "The force is strong in
my family. I have it. My sister has it..." Nope, don't think so."
(Ravenclaw Bookworm)

No way! Excluding being Gryffindors, DA and the Prophecy, Harry and
Neville has no other common point. But the comparison with Luke and
Leia should be extended in the way that Neville and Harry have the
same wizardry potential (Harry's is more developed, Neville's rawer). 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Flitwick
==========================================================================================================================================="This may be movie contamination, but I wonder if Flitwick isn't
secretly half elf. (Before the movie, I merely pictured him as an
extremely short human... in the film he reminded me of a
Munchkin). Elves, as a group, seem especially good at Charms (Dobby
made the pudding hover without a wand, and they certainly use charms
in their houscleaning duties) , making it a natural subject for him to
teach, and the box of sugar mice he slipped Harry as a thank-you after
the Skeeter interview in OotP seemed like a bit of elfish mischief."
(Louise)

Hey, that's a cool idea... I don't know, but your arguments catch
very well. I myself believed that Flitwick was a midget. But your idea
of Flitwick as a half-elf could be very explaining about his behaviour
(like being launched by a misguided Neville's Expelling Charm against
a wall and make nothing). 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Lily in James' OWL exams
==========================================================================================================================================="As to why Harry didn't look for Lily in the exam room - I have no
idea." (Martha)

I have thought... That's should be 'cause that was Snape's Pensieve
and Snape's memories, and Snape would not be interested in Lily, but in
doing his exam and showing how much the Marauders could be jerks. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Neville and the Prophecy
==========================================================================================================================================="However, I have to ask, why would JK mention Neville as an
alternative, if there's no question in the matter?" (LizVega)

I think that one of them (either one) will be the "chosen". Voldemort
will "die" and return only with the help of the "chosen". 

BUT, the other will have the same power to fight against him! Neville
is a wizard with strong raw potential (explaining: he has very much power,
but no training). I believe that this is the motif for all Malfoys’ and Snape's mind raping against Neville. But now Neville is more
confident and ready to kick some DE butts. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Why is OOtP original?
==========================================================================================================================================="But what was the reason for starting it the first time? The ministry
then was fully involved in resisting Voldemort so why the need to
start a secret group in the first place?" (spangb)

Well... This could be 'cause they known that LV had very much spies in
MoM, so they needed a way to make some decisions and plans
undercover, more or less like CIA or Mossad or KGB. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Fudge and Daily Prophet
==========================================================================================================================================="I wonder how Fudge has suddenly managed to get such a total control
over it, and, if it were quite easy to do, why hadn't he done it
before?"(Nellie)

Well, all government want to have media control and support. Fudge
only had maintained Prophet Daily "free" while it was supporting
him. But, in OotP, he was making some "censorship" against HP and
OotP. 

I'm Brazilian, and not too long (25 years or less) we ended a
dictatorial government with so much censorship and so on... Until now,
we believed that government has some "push" in the media. I could
transfer that to OotP: Fudge want some media control to "explain" your
positions, making Harry appear like a crazy boy, etc... 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Pensieves
==========================================================================================================================================="So I guess this means you can either copy a memory and put it into a
pensieve or you can put the whole memory in one.

Can person A put person B's memory from a pensieve into his own head?"
(Abbet)

Well, Abbet, I believe that, once you put a memory in Pensieve, you
can't extract it again, BUT you could see it, like Harry made in GoF
and OotP. You could not mind-cloning a person between Pensieve: you
could not retrieve knowledge directly from Pensieve. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: HP main characters could die?
==========================================================================================================================================="I read The Hobbit the last time several years ago, so my memory might
not be accurate, but I remember the death of only one major character,
at the very end and with a good moral." (Neri)

That was Thorin Oakenshield and, in death's bed, he forgives Bilbo and
made the peace between dwarves, elves and Men. 

"A more relevant example may be LOTR, with a full-scale war and a very
high body count. I can recall the death of only one major character in
LOTR (Boromir, of course. Theoden was hardly a major character in the
book, as opposed to the movies), and again with a very good moral."
(Neir)

Boromir died to save Merry and Pippin in Amon-Hen, to purify
himself from the corruption of the One.

"But I certainly did not claim it is impossible JKR will kill more
major characters. I merely asked: what for?" (Neri)

That's okay for me if JK kills major characters IF they have made
something that "reasons" that kill. And I can't see no major
characters being anything to be killed (except, perhaps,
Dumbledore...) 

BUT, we could see 2nd grade characters (the Hufflepuffs, Cho, the
Creeveys, Draco) being killed. For example: so much people bets that
at least a Weasley will be killed until HP series' end. And the bets
is for one of the twins, Molly, Arthur or Ginny. But why not Percy
(yes, for me Percy is a 2nd-grade character)? I have noted the
family's emphasis of HP series, and Percy has broken with his family
exactly when is needed to people stay tight against LV and DE.

I could see also Snape (for obvious reasons) and Draco (if he change
not his behavior) with bull-marks. Wormtail is another marked to be
killed. 

But Harry, Ron, Mione, Ginny, Luna and Neville aren't, IMHO, in this
list, and also aren't Lupin, Tonks, the Dursleys, the Longbottoms, the
Lovegoods, the Weasley (except, perhaps, Percy), Hagrid... He could
being badly thrashed, physical and psychological alike, but not
killed.

JKR killed Cedric to show the banality of DE's deaths and the "rating"
that DEs guives to life, unless themselves'. And she killed Sirius to
show that, for first time, Dumbledore's and Harry's decision could be
very, very costly. 

"Based on the above, a reasonable prediction is that we are going to
see many *secondary* characters killed in books 6 and 7, but no main
character killed (or one at the most)." (Neri)

I agreed, and we'll see so much MoM and AD people being killed (I
believe that all the Hufflepuffs in AD will be killed... :'-( ). But
the main characters will *not* be killed... He could be badly
thrashed, either physical (like Harry in the end of GoF or Neville in
the end of OoTP) or psychological (like Ron in the end of OoTP or
Ginny in the end of CS), but not killed. 

"I personally felt it was considerably better than dying, or why would
Elrond have any problem with his daughter staying with Aragorn, and
why had so many men in the history of middle earth wanted to reach the
Gray Havens?" (Neri)

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Frodo has gone to Aman to heal yourself from the corruption of the
One. He didn't forgot the "preciousss", so Arwen gives him a
star-shaped collar, with which Frodo "plays", like he "played" with
the One... I see Frodo's departure as a good thing: he died (no
one knows when) but he had purified himself from the corruption and
has died without pain. 

This could be Harry's destiny: go away from WW to heal himself until
all the brushes and hurts were healed... IF they were healed. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Peeves
==========================================================================================================================================="Though in the first four books he was, of course, a slight
hellraiser, he seemed to wait until the arrival of Umbridge to really
cause some chaos, like a pair of redheaded, freckle faced, Quidditch
playing hellions I could mention." (Neri)"

Peeves and the redheaded Quidditch players understood that
supporting Umbridge you should only obtain more and more restrictions,
until Hogwarts would resemble Orwell's 1984 Oceania - "Ignorance is
bliss", and go to a guerrilla-like warfare. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: JKR Magical World
==========================================================================================================================================="Perhaps JKR is doing an Asimov and keeping large areas of her world
uncovered, for herself or other writers to touch upon at a later date,
perhaps?" (Chris)

This also used by H.P.Lovecraft (Cthulhu Mythos) and in the Conan's
Hyborian Age... That's a so much used way for creating great
worlds. The only writer that don't made that was, AFAIK, Tolkien with
Arda (the world of Middle-Earth)

I believe that JK will make that, so people (like me) should write
something about other places (like Brazil) and other times (like 3+
years after 7th book). 

I believe that we'll see very interesting ideas if this come true. 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Ron as a Knight
==========================================================================================================================================="Ron is certainly quirky and unpredictable. Considering the chess game
as a metaphor for the Second War, will this element of his nature be
of value, will he indeed be a maverick who gets into areas of the
action which no one else reaches or am I trying to draw parallels
where none exist?" (Geoff)

No, Geoff, your ideas are okay, and I will place my 2c:

Being a (little) skilled chess player, I have learned that, when the
chess game is truncated, the knight is a very important piece to
eliminate enemy's piece and free the advance of other pieces, like
pawns, the queen and towers. 

I believe that Ron is Knight and it will be very important 'cause, as
a knight, Ron could react in unpredictable ways. And he could also
work to free the way for Harry and Hermione and Neville (the king and
the two towers, IMHO), and for Luna (the other knight), Fred and
George (the bishops) and DA & OotP (the pawns). 

Ron also shows to be very resourceful of ideas and ways... 
===========================================================================================================================================About: Broomsticks
==========================================================================================================================================="On to broomsticks: can only witches and wizards ride broomsticks?
When Harry gets the firebolt (PoA) it automatically hovers at the
right height for him. Can brooms sense whether someone is innately
magical, in other words if Filch got on one would it just fall to the
ground?" (Anneli)

I don't think so... I believe that the magic is in broomstick. So,
once a broomstick receives the flying spell, anyone that was trained
to fly a broomstick could fly it. Even Vernon Dursley could make it,
when trained.

Namarië
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