The Potters' grave and non-domestic elves

Peter Felix Schuster pfsch at gmx.de
Thu Jan 15 13:33:13 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 88814

Hi AmanitaMuscaria!

> Peter:
> I wondered, why Harry never asked to see his parents' grave.
> AmanitaMuscaria : I always assumed it was his upbringing - he 
> doesn't ask questions about his parents either, but then, he was 
> told from an early age not to ask questions and punished for doing 
> so.

Peter: Seems to be a very good explanation for him not asking to me. I 
still wonder though whether he's ever told where it is and/or gets 
there. If he does it might be of importance - maybe that's where the 
dramatical show down will take place. Although there already was a 
important scene on a graveyard which would make "mine" just a repeated 
one.

> Now, that is an interesting question. Along with whether goblins own 
> Gringotts or are just employed there, and who won the goblin wars? 

Peter: What wizards call "goblin war" might have been a rebellion 
"just" to gain full rights - which they might have won, now having 
those rights. Or goblins lost but wizardkind so many losses that they 
had to admit certain rights. Such as the right to have property and 
run a business.

> Peter: If there are house elves - are there any non domesticated 
> elves, too?
> AmanitaMuscaria : Why wouldn't there be renegrade groups of elves 
> somewhere? Perhaps Harry needs to ask Dobby?

Peter: I shall remind him of that the next time I meet him. :) Indeed 
I assume that there are groups of elves given clothes - they can't all 
end up in Hogwarts (though it would explain the large number of elves 
in there). Although there is the possibilty that one elf is given 
freedom in one hundred years (i.e. it happens very rarely) and the 
fact that both Dobby and Winky were freed in such a short time was 
only a statiscal accident. ;) But if it happens more often they might 
group - and even join "wild elves" somewhere to live with them.

It is said (I think it was in OoP, in a conversation about Kreacher) 
that house elves are under a charm making them willing serveants - 
correct me if I'm wrong. So I suppose that there are elves not being 
charmed in that way.

In some myths the number of elves is quite high (an elf under every 
rock). And, in CS a Weasley (Ron?) states that they are only found in 
rich wizarding families, but even the Malfoys only had had Dobby. 
Since there can't be to many rich families (and Hogwarts as we know 
later, perhaps in the MoM and St. Mungus as well), either the 
population of elves had been reduced dramatically in history (which 
wouldn't be the first time WW did that to non-human magical creatures) 
or there are still non domisticated, probably highly intelligent and 
powerful "wild elves".

Bye Peter






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