Timeline question.

[KathyK]

No: HPFGUIDX 88838

Tanya wrote:

>I was reading the lexicon last night, and it said that in 1980 
Karakroff and Dolohov are captured and sent to Azkaban.  Now that is 
at least a year before LV's failed attack on HP.
 
>In book 4, When Harry finds Dumbledore's pensieve and sees the court
scenes.  Karakroff outs Snape as a DE when he is trying to buy his 
way out.  Now, Dumebldore verifies that Snape is a spy and no longer 
a DE, etc, etc.  If LV was still at full strength at this time, 
something is definitely up.
 
>Now, what my question is.  When was this trial?  Was it before the 
Potter's attack or after?  Did those two DE's stay in Azkaban for 
over a year before the trial or not.<

KathyK answers:

All three scenes Harry sees in the pensieve (Karkaroff, Bagman, 
Lestranges & Crouch Jr) took place after LV's fall.  Karkaroff, 
though, was initially captured and put in Azkaban before Voldemort's 
fall.  What we see in the pensive is an already imprisoned and 
sentenced Karkaroff trying to get out using whatever information he 
has at hand.  This is the reason why many of the names he tries to 
use are useless.  He waited too long to turn on his fellow DE's.

Now, the reasoning behind placing Karkaroff and Dolohov's captures 
in 1980, before LV's fall comes from this.

In GoF, Ch 27 Sirius says:

"Rosier and Wilkes-they were both killed by Aurors the year before 
Voldemort fell."

Voldemort fell in 1981.  Pretty straightforward that they'd be 
listed as being killed in 1980.  This helps us out with Karkaroff.  
In the pensieve he *names* Rosier as a Death Eater.  Crouch informs 
him that he was caught shortly after Karkaroff-and that he was 
dead.  If Rosier was killed the year before LV fell, and Karkaroff 
was captured shortly before Rosier, then Karkaroff must have been 
placed in Azkaban around the same time, 1980.  

The same reasoning applies to Dolohov's being caught as well.  He 
was also captured shortly after Karkaroff.  And Karkaroff also names 
him in his attempt to get out.  

And how do we know Karkaroff's pensieve appearance is post 
Voldemort's fall?  In the Pensieve, Dumbledore says, GoF, Ch 30:

"Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater.  However, he rejoined our 
side before Lord Voldemort's downfall and turned spy for us, at 
great personal risk."  

Unless he's just being very confident about Voldemort's imminent 
downfall, it's pretty clear that we see Karkaroff after LV attacks 
the Potters.

KathyK, who is sometimes confused by what the Lexicon says until she 
goes back and works it out for herself.