Harry the Auror

[sachmet96]

No: HPFGUIDX 89158

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lizvega2" <lizvega2 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Doriane" <delwynmarch at y...> 
> wrote:
> > But what it comes down to is that Harry tried to kill someone at 
> > > > the age of 15. I don't think such a thing can be overlooked. 
> >  
> > Frost:
> > > 	  No, he didn't. He just tried to hurt someone very badly.  
> > > Crucio is not the same as a AK.  The difficulty is still that 
he 
> > > tried to use an unforgivable, but was unable to.
> 
> 
> I think Bellatrix actually covered this one for us. You have to 
> really MEAN them (Unforgivable Curses) in order for them to work. 
No 
> book in front of me for an exact quote, but, she says something 
> along the line of, "righteous anger won't last for long" Even Harry 
> noticed that after he cast the spell, she did fall on the ground, 
> but she didn't scream or writhe in pain. He DIDN'T mean to really 
> cause her pain, he was angry. He was't trying to kill anyone, he 
may 
> have said it in the death chamber, before he ran after Bellatrix, 
> but for those of you familiar with the old Jack Lemmon movie, 12 
> Angry Men, saying that you want to kill someone doesn't mean that 
> you actually want them dead.

sachmet96 
OotP UK, p. 715
"Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you boy?[...]You need 
to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain - to 
enjoy it - righteaus anger won't hurt me for long - I'll show you how 
it is done, shall I? I'll give you a lessen -"

She actually sees by his failed atempt (no wonder it's his first time 
that he used it and it usually takes a few tries to get a curse right)
what the cause of him not being successfull is and provides him with 
the information how to do it right (she acts like a teacher). She 
doesn't say he won't be able to do it. I am sure for his next try he 
would have been better at it. He just didn't put the right feelings 
into them the first time but I still think he meant to hurt her so he 
would have gotten it right the next time.
What makes me so convinced he really tried to hurt her is that he 
compares the reaction she has to his cuse with the reaction Neville 
had to the curse. So he expected to see her in pain, wanted her to be 
but simply got the curse wrong.
And I am convinced that at that time he wanted her dead (it was just 
too short a time since Sirius died) so there was no time for any 
logical thought or time to cool down his feelings. And he is a person 
who acts on his emotions all the time before thinking. I think he 
wanted to kill her at that moment and if he succeeded would have 
regretted it later. 
And he is ruthless enough to kill/hurt without batting an eye (or 
spending a second thought on it) as was seen in PS with Quirrell and 
Voldemort. In PS after he realized he could get rid of Quirrell he 
intentionally "caught Quirrell by the arm and hung on as tight as he 
could" (PS, UK p.214). He didn't spend a thought on the fact that he 
just hurt/probably mortally wounded Quirrell. Yes, it was in self 
defence and I don't expect him at that moment to spend much thaught 
about that, but at least after he woke up in the infirmary he could 
have asked what happened to Quirrell but doesn't even think about it.