Comparisons

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No: HPFGUIDX 89817

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at a...> 
wrote:
> Yes, but /why/ did he want to get into the Chamber of Secrets?
> 
> "'I thought someone must realise that Hagrid couldn't possibly be the 
> heir of Slytherin. It had taken /me/ five whole years to find out 
> everything I could about the Chamber of Secrets and discover the 
> secret entrance....'"  
> 
> So he'd been digging around since his First Year ot thereabouts. 
> Sounds a very dedicated investigator... 
> 
 Kneasy:
Why was Tom so interested in the CoS? For the same reason that
the students in Harry's year are absolutely fascinated by the thought
of it. A legend come to life! Wow! Tell  us more! Where is it?
Note  that the legend states that the Chamber can only be opened
by the Heir. It  is a self-fulfilling prophesy - if you can get in, you 
must by definition be the Heir. There is the possibility that opening
the Chamber turns you into the Heir, that whoever gets there first
is transformed into Salazar's avatar. A trap for the unwary or the
unsuspecting and ambitious. I suspect that Tom Riddle took
on the Lord Voldemort identity as the result of entering the CoS,
that what was in the Chamber changed him into what he became.
It is, after all, called the Chamber of Secrets - plural. All we have
seen so far is a single secret monster. What else is or was there?

In  which  case, we have to ask ourselves are Tom's actions of his
own volition or is  he suffering from some sort of possession? Is 
this why DD insists on calling him Tom to his face as an appeal
to a suppressed personality? There is even the faint possibility
that 'the gleam' in DD's eyes may be because Voldy has taken
blood that gave Harry protection and that may have a booster 
effect on the suppressed Riddle personality.

This leads to an entertaining line of thought based on pure
speculation.
The 'spirit' of Salazar possesses Tom whose body is  destroyed
at Godrics Hollow. What is left is a disembodied something.
The same sort of thing happens in the CoS, only with Quirrell.
The force that is Voldy does not retain any physical bits and
pieces during transfer, but intangible aspects of personality
or character may survive. If so, DD is trying to induce a form
of schizophrenia by invoking a conflict between the Salazar
entity and the Riddle remains. If it works, self destruction may
ensue. Crazy idea?

Geoff:
snip of quote from Voldy re Godrics Hollow
> There you go; straight from the horse's mouth.
> 

Kneasy:
Mandy (89798) highlights many of the points I would  make about
the GH episode. What  happened is not clear; what we know is some
of the pre-amble and assumptions about the outcome. The actual
step-by-step action is a mystery, in particular what happened with 
James. Somewhere in canon (and I can't find it, damn!) I  seem to
recall that someone expresses surprise that James' 'ghost' appears
in the graveyard scene. If my memory is accurate, why the surprise?
And I  repeat, how come DD claims to know so much about it when
he wasn't there and has not produced any witness to the events?


>> Kneasy: 
>> Later events are also open to reinterpretation; Quirrell died 
>> through the actions of Harry, 
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> Ah, let's go back to the horse's mouth...
> 
> "'A wizard - young, foolish and gullible - wandered across my path in 
> the forest I had made my home. Oh, he seemed the very chance I had 
> been dreaming of... for he was a teacher at Dumbledore's school.... 
> he was easy to bend to my will... he brought me back to this country 
> and after a while, I took possession of his body, to supervise him 
> closely as he carried out my orders. but my plan failed. I did not 
> manage to steal the Philosopher's Stone. I was not to be assured 
> immortal life. I was thwarted... thwarted, once again, by Harry 
> Potter.'........
> 
> 'The servant died when I left his body and I was left as weak as I 
> had ever been...'"
> Hmm. Self-confessed by the big V himself methinks.

Kneasy:
But why did he leave the body? He was a happy little parasite until
Harry  ruined Quirrell's complexion. He was forced out IMO, as the
result of Harry's actions - therefore ensuring Quirrell's demise.
Voldy would have needed corporate form to do what was necessary
with the Stone. Harry stymied this by making Quirrell a hostile habitat
for Voldy. When you leave someone with only one option, the 
consequences are your responsibility, not theirs.