The Scar. Was: Choices - or not

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No: HPFGUIDX 89886

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

Carol wrote:

> I originally thought as you do that the power was in Harry himself,
> but JKR kept presenting new evidence that contradicted that
> theory--first the Parseltongue that Harry acquired from LV when 
> some of LV's powers were passed to him, 

Whizbang here:  I must be missing something.  How does Harry's being 
a parselmouth or any skill aquired when Voldemort marked him an 
equal, suggest that Lily did a protective charm?  The prophesy 
states that the one had the power as he approached, not that he 
aquired it later or as the result of someone else's action.  The 
power to vanquish the DL is in Harry.  It always has been.

Whizbang
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Carol wrote:

> Again, no theory can be proven or it wouldn't be a theory, but 
> this one is interesting and there's enough canonical evidence to 
> support the possibility that Lily cast a protective charm on Harry.
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Whizbang here:

Somehow, the fact that Lily's wand was good for charms and the 
identification of the rune represented in the scar seem very thin 
canon to base this on.  Knowing what we do about Harry, and 
Dumbledore's statement that he put the protective charm on Harry 
seem to contradict it.
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Carol wrote:

> Also, you might consider that we don't know what powers Harry had 
> as a baby before LV "marked" him. 
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Whizbang here:

Harry had the power to vanquish the dark lord as he approached, 
before he was born.  The prophesy should be taken into consideration 
in this theory.
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Carol wrote:

> It seems to me that Harry would have just been an ordinary wizard 
> boy, good at quidditch like Charlie Weasley but no match for 
> Voldemort, if it hadn't been for LV transferring some of his 
> powers to him. I don't think he could have saved himself, at the 
> age of fifteen months, from the spell that killed both his 
> parents. 
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Whizbang here:

Poor Harry would have loved being an ordinary wizard boy.  I think 
Dumbledore would have wished it for him, as well.  But there is 
nothing ordinary about Harry.  

According to Dumbledore, the powers transfered by Voldemort are what 
have given Harry the "power, and a future" to escape the DL four 
times.  None of the transfered powers will vanquish the DL. Even 
Dumbledore can't do that.  This is a power or a quantity of power 
somehow exclusive to Harry. He was born with it.  
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Carol wrote:

> I realize that this explanation doesn't in itself support the charm
> theory; I'm only explaining here why I no longer think that the 
> power to deflect the AK was in baby Harry to begin with.
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Whizbang here:

There seems to be far more in canon to support the AK failing to 
kill Harry, marking him with a lightning bolt scar, transfering 
Voldemort's powers and then rebounding to tear Voldemort painfully 
from his body, leaving him less than the meanest ghost.  Of course, 
the house was also destroyed.  And ten years later, Aunt Petunia 
wouldn't leave Harry home alone because she was afraid she would 
come home and find the house leveled.  Harry protests that he won't 
blow up the house, but she is unimpressed. (Just what does she know?)

How was the house in Godric's Hollow destroyed?  I think Harry 
attacked Voldemort at the same time that the AK was cast and either 
Harry's alone, or the combination of spells brought the house down 
as well as all else that occured.  "Either must die at the hand of 
the other."  But when they attacked each other simultaneously in the 
graveyard, they both survived.  Has that happened before?

Whizbang