Sirius revisited

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No: HPFGUIDX 103903

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <snow15145 at y...> wrote:
> Kneasy:
> >snipped<
> Nurture or nature? Do bloodlines define
> the person in the Potterverse, or is it up-bringing? Or both?
> 
> Snow:
> I have to say that this particular line brought to mind two specific 
> individuals. One is Harry and the other is Voldemort. There 
> relationship as far as upbringing is quite similar as are there 
> bloodlines and yet differences
 "It is our choices
"
>
Kneasy:
Hmm. Well, I intended it in a much broader sense -  that JKR
seems to have made inherited bloodlines a significant factor in her
back-story. I mumble about this in part of post 68045. 

> 
> Snow:
> Two points two this statement actually. The first would be that I 
> would have to trust that Peter had actually been made SK according to 
> Sirius' request. The second is more of a question, why would you feel 
> that Sirius needs to contact or has contact with the Potters? Sirius 
> said GOF pg. 365 " The night they died, I'd arranged to check on 
> Peter
" Sirius arranged previously to check on Peter. 

Kneasy:
Well, yes - Peter was made SK on Sirius's suggestion. He says so at the
Shrieking Shack. Admittedly only Sirius says so, but there is no denial
from Peter.
Now if Sirius made Peter SK without  first consulting James, that would
be a whole different cauldron of flobberworms. After all, we only have
Sirius's word - and DD says that he gave evidence that Sirius was the SK.

If the Sirius's 'cunning plan' (truly worthy of Baldrick at his best) was
such a sure-fire thing, why did Sirius need to 'check up on Peter'?
Just what was he checking? Why would he need to check? Peter as 
SK was supposed to be a secret known only to  the Potters, Peter and
Sirius. And wasn't Sirius supposed to be in hiding? There's something
very odd about this incident. 
> 
> Snow:
> I think you might be wrong here Kneasy. Sirius wouldn't have lasted a 
> minute with Voldemort because when Voldy gave him the ultimatum of 
> tell or be killed he would have died. 
>

Kneasy:
Unlikely. When you want answers to questions you keep on asking them.
That's assuming that he's having an off-day with his mind-reading.
Combine  Crucio! with mind-reading and he'd get any information inside
Sirius's head. The only  reason the Longbottoms didn't answer the DEs
was because they didn't know.
 
> Kneasy:
> Then the aftermath. More strokes of Black genius. He arrives at the
> house. As the supposed SK he's the prime suspect for the betrayal of
> the Potters. Does he proclaim his innocence? No. Just this one time, 
> at a moment when his penchant for excuses might actually do him 
> some good, he keeps his mouth shut. Why? >snip<
> 
> Snow:
> Possibly because his very best friend is lying in rubble and Sirius 
> feels it is all his fault because he felt guilty (as in the Shrieking 
> Shack) of Indirectly betraying his friend.
> 
Kneasy:
His first thoughts are of revenge (or so his actions imply). Sirius is not
the strong silent type; he's rash, intemperate and with a big mouth.
More typical  behaviour would be to be ranting and raving and 
accusing all and sundry. He doesn't. He decides there and then that 
Peter is to blame, and goes off to kill him - without telling anyone.
Even DD states that "Sirius has not acted like an innocent man." - this
after the shenanigins of PoA. The same can be said for Godric's Hollow.

> 
> Snow:
> You're right. How dare Sirius care about his dead friends more than 
> himself and his own hide at this point. 
> No trial you say, good point I say. Pretend for a moment that Sirius 
> is innocent
what would you say then to the who's afraid of Sirius 
> talking too much? 
> 
Kneasy:
Care? He says he cares, true, but he's got a funny way of showing it.
Expose the traitor? Bring him to justice? Find out what other information
he's passed to Voldy? Certainly not. Kill him before anyone else can 
speak to him. Sirius as judge, jury and executioner. Wonderful. And
just by chance remove the one person that can confirm or deny the
tale that Sirius is peddling. How convenient.

The only people who could benefit by Sirius being slung straight in the
slammer without a trial are those with guilty knowledge. Does it benefit
DD and the Order? Can't see how. Does it benefit the Ministry? Maybe,
but only if the Ministry was involved with guarding GH. Could it benefit
the DEs? Yes, if Sirius has certain information or is associated with them.=


> Snow:
> Have to correct you a bit here. POA pg. 379 "Well
 your parents 
> appointed me your guardian," said Black stiffly. "Guardian" is much 
> more than just a Godfather. 
> 
Kneasy:
Anyone else able to back up his statement? 
To be appointed 'Guardian' in the UK requires legally registered 
documentation. See any? Have you heard of any? Neither have I.
The Potters were a young couple; would they envisage both of them 
being snuffed out and Harry surviving? Yes it happened (we think), but
it  was a pretty unique event. Totally unforseeable. Even so, if things 
had worked out as Voldy planned Harry would be dead and Lily  alive.

Frankly, I take everything that Sirius says with a *very* large pinch of sa=
lt.
Too much of it just happens to support whatever it is Sirius wants.

Kneasy