LV'swand/foreshadowng/Augustus/Merlin/HBP/Guardian/Salazar/Warbecks/Feathers

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Sun Jul 4 01:03:32 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 104215

Gina Miller wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103410 :

<< has anyone ever asked how LV got his wand back? The house was
rubble so did someone go get it? >>

Personally, I always assumed that LV took Pettigrew with him when he
went to kill the Potters (altho' Legilimency weakens such motives as
making sure that he is not being sent to a trap by making Peter walk
in front of him, or making sure that he is not being sent on a wild
goose chase by having Peter available to be immediately punished), so
when LV was disintegratedd, Peter grabbed up his wand before
scampering away in rat form. He may have hidden it somewhere from
whence he retrieved it on the way to rejoin LV, or may have kept it
with him in rat form all those years.

cincimaelder wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103443 :

<< Any thoughts on which parts of PoA foreshadow 6 and 7? >>

When Harry in the movie returns the crystal ball to Trelawney's
classroom, there is a furry gray cat sleeping on the chair. Will a
gray cat-Kneazle turn up in book 6 or 7? 

When Mcanair in the movie axes the pumpkin and the ravens fly up, one
raven perches on Fudge's hat. There are a billion things that could
foreshadow, of which one is a big heavy statue of the Ravenclaw mascot
(an eagle) falling on Fudge and crushing him to death.

Just Carol wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103579 :

<< I think that the American editor wanted to avoid confusion between
Algernon Longbottom and Algernon Rookwood and suggested (sensibly)
that Rookwood's first name be changed to Augustus. >>

IIRC Great-Uncle Algie has always been Great-Uncle Algie, but in GoF,
the Pensieve trial scene: "Yes!" said Karkaroff. "There was Travers --
he helped murder the McKinnons! Mulciber -- he specialised in the
Imperius curse, forced countless people to do horrific things!
Rookwood, who was a spy, and passed He Who Must Not Be Named useful
information from inside the Ministry itself!" Harry could tell that,
this time, Karkaroff had struck gold. The watching crowd were all
murmuring together. "Rookwood?" said Mr Crouch, nodding to a witch
sitting in front of him, who began scribbling upon her piece of
parchment. "Augustus Rookwood of the Department of Mysteries?"

That is, Rookwood's personal name was Augustus in GoF, so changing it
to Algernon in UK OoP seems like an error.

Notyourpoet wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103775 :

<< It seems that all of the surprises come from James as well - MWP
and P, being an animagus, and the invisibility cloak. What if one last
surprise would be grandparents, or some other family/sibling outside
of what has been mentioned. >>

To which Tanya  replied in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103787 :

<< I can comment. When Sirius was telling Harry about running away to
the Potters, he says that James' parents treated him like a 2nd son.
Of course that doesn't allow for any hints if James had any sisters.>>

Also, in the World Book Day chat, 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/extras/JKRWorldBookDay2004.html

Q: What happend to Harry's grandparents? Will we ever learn about
them?
JK Rowling: They're all dead and not particularly important to the
story, although you will find out a little bit more.

Rowena Grunnion-ffitch wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103807 :

<< Maybe the prince is ...  Merlin. He's been mentioned several times
as a historical figure in the wizarding world and according to legend
he was the son of a Welsh princess by an incubus, (for which read
wizard) making him both a half-blood and a prince. >>

Such an interesting idea that I looked up Merlin's entry in the Harry
Potter Lexiconm. It says:

<< Most famous wizard of all time, a Charms specialist sometimes 
known as the Prince of Enchanters; Merlin appears on a Chocolate Frog
trading card (SS6, CS/g). Merlin was part of the Court of King Arthur.
(King Arthur once ruled the land that is now part of England.) Merlin
wanted wizards to help Muggles, so he created the Order of Merlin. The
Order made rules against using magic on Muggles (CS/g). >>

That indicates that he was called "Prince of Enchanters" for his
achievements, and that he was a Muggle-lover. Even if he were a
pureblood wizard, a Muggle-hater could well have angrily said "Prince
of Half-Bloods" instead of "Prince of Enchanters". In other words, I
think your conclusion works even in versions that give him different
parentage. 

I actually can invent ways in which (the history of) Merlin could have
been in book 2 -- e.g. as part of his rift with Godric, Salazar tried
to discredit Merlin the Muggle-lover by revealing that Merlin was a
half-breed, or maybe that Merlin was entirely Muggle-born and the
story of his father being a wizard was made up by snobby wizards. 

Altho' I still feel that the HBP of the title is either Tom Riddle or
Salazar Slytherin.

Snow wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/104017 :

<< Also take note that Half and Blood are not hyphened or as one 
word. Each word in the title has its own meaning not the suggested
meaning. >>

I was thinking of the Half Blood-Prince, which would require figuring
out what a Blood-Prince is. Rather than the boring and irrelevant RL
phrase "a prince of the blood" to mean a royal prince, I'd rather
think it's something JKR invented, as she invented Metamorphmagus. ...
Maybe a human with bloodhound tracking abilities ... but how would
that relate to book 2?

Easier to figure is a prince who is half blood and half something else
... half [flesh and] blood = the bionic man? 

Del wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGr
ownups/message/103875 :

<< Fleur : first of, she's a female, so she couldn't be a prince. And
second she's a quarter Veela, not half, but that might not mean much
to the purebloods >>

Fleur's FATHER is male and he's half-Veela unless Fleur's mother is
half-Veela, which seems unlikely to me as when Harry glimpsed her
seeing Fleur before the Third Task, he didn't notice her being so much
as good-looking for her age. No, I can't think of anyway in which
Fleur's father could have started out in book 2. 

Kneasy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/103903 :

<< To be appointed 'Guardian' in the UK requires legally registered
documentation. >>

I don't believe these wizards do their legal stuff with the Muggle
courts. I doubt that Harry has a Muggle birth certificate (except one
magically forged for him to go to Muggle school with Dudley) or that
his parents had a Muggle marriage certificate. If they appointed a
guardian for Harry just in case (which I happen to believe they did,
and it was Sirius, however bad or good a choice that was), they did it
according to wizsrding law.  

Gina wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/104060 :

<< Initially I believed Harry was somehow a descendent of both SS and
GG and THAT is why he could "choose" which house he belonged in. I
know this theory has been shot down many times by interviews saying
Harry is not related to LV and that he has no living relatives but the
Dursleys, but Tom Riddle is in fact dead so I stand firm to my theory
that Harry carries the blood of both! >>

In the RUMORS tabloid on JKR's website, she says:
<< 18/02/04 Rumor: Voldemort is Harry's real father / grandfather /
close relative of some description.
Exclusive: No, no, no, no, no. You have definitely been watching much
too much Star Wars. James is DEFINITELY Harry's father -- doesn't
everybody Harry meets say: "You look just like your father"? And
hasn't Dumbledore already told Harry that Voldemort is the last
surviving descendent of Salazar Slytherin? Just to clarify -- this
means that Harry is NOT a descendent of Salazar Slytherin.>>  

The important sentence is the last one: << Just to clarify -- this
means that Harry is NOT a descendent of Salazar Slytherin.>>  

Smart wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104169 :

<< is there any mention in any of the books that two wizards/witches/
ANYbody have the same last name, that aren't related? The only other
instance I can think of is the Warbeck's, but there has been almost
nothing about them anyhow.>>

Warbecks? Celestina Warbeck the Singing Sorceress and who else?

Leah wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/104200 :

<< Back to the budgie- there are a lot of feathers on JKR's website-
any ideas as to what they signify? >>

I thought they were a reference to quill pens used by wizards.





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