About Sirius, Wormtail, Snape, Draco

[Amey Chinchorkar]

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>>>>>>>griffin782002:
I have my own thoughts about the veil. J.K.R. has used many elements from ancient mythologies for her books. For example, centaurs were wise and play an important part in Greek myths. One of them acted as a teacher for many mythical heroes. Also the ancient Greeks believed that a three-headed dog, known as Cerberus, guarded the entrance to the Underworld, which they called Hades. There are myths which tell the story of a hero that for some reason has to 'visit' the Underworld. Hercules has to go there in order to 'borrow' Cerberus for one of his twelve tasks. Orpheus, a mythicmeal micisian went to take back his dead wife. I wonder if the veil is a similar kind of entrance. They had necromancies, I have visited such a place years ago. I think the world of the dead is a mystery and perhaps that was the reason why most of the people around it were affraid of it.


Amey: 

Yes, it is a very good point, but I think I read somewhere JKR saying that Sirius is absolutely dead, and can't come back.( Sorry, can't remember where OI read it).  But it is possible that he might come back in some form or might at least communicate with Harry (mirror here). 


Sue:
Good point. Crabbe and Goyle are basically just Draco's sidekicks anyway. They'll just do 
what he tells them. And I can see him working for revenge in the next couple of books, 
perhaps even being recruited by LV. Perhaps - who knows? - in the middle of it all, his 
eyes will be opened and he'll see he's been had. Possibly his father will betray him, or LV 
will want him to do something that will get him killed.
Isn't it fun speculating? :-)

However much I like Draco being killed, I think it will be better if Lucius dies serving or (not-serving-prperly) LV, and that opens his eyes. It won't endear Harry to him, i hope (else we won't have any juicy hits like Hermione gave him in PoA, and more ambushes in train), but at least he might come to the good side (am I seeing a future Snape here?)

>>>>>>Amey:
>>>>>>> So there seems to be some discrepancy between the movie scene,
>>>>>>>harry's memory and 
>>>>>>>the Priory order. Which one is the most canon? (i mean which one
>>>>>>>should we take as the most perfect as all are canon :))

>>>>>>Tim:
>>>>>>On JKR's website, there is an explaintion the Priory error in her
>>>>>>Books FAQ (click on the paperclips)

Amey again:
That only states the correct order, and also the spells coming out don't give us the timing. I was talking about that, not the actaul Lily-First-James-Later-Or-Vice-Versa thing. Sorry, it was getting a long post and I wrapped up the point. What I meant was that there seems to be some doubt that the man was not James. 

>>>>>>Amey:
>>>>>>> 3. Who told Potters so that they knew "LV was after them long
>>>>>>>before" (PoA- Prof McGonall)?

>>>>>>Tim:
>>>>>>The Prophecy said ."born to those who have thrice defied him" so by
the time of the  prophecy or Harry's birth his parents were on LV's radar.

Amey again:
Well, it must have been hard to keep track of the times you defied LV. And as we know, Longbottoms also fitted the bill. So some information must have come DD's way. Also I am wondering what made them defy LV three times? (They emerged successfull 3 times, must be very powerful and brilliant). It seems he was trying wither very hard to get them or get them on their side. Hagrid wonders why LV didn't try recruiting Potters, so he must be particularly eager to kill them. Longbottoms figure, because they were Aurors and fighting him. But Potters were not in MoM (as far as we know). So that means they must be very much active in the Order (this fits the great respect they had in WW). 
Also, DD knew for a long time somebody close to them was passing information to LV, why very close to Potters? Just because it was Wormtail? Why was he recruited by LV? He doesn't seem to be very bright, his only plus point was that he was close to Potters (who were in Order, I agree, but is that only criterion?). I doubt DD trusting him with important information any more than we can trust Crabe or Goyle. I can see how he came in the Order (being one of Marauders), but a spy? He must have some hidden abilities.
And one more point to ponder about Snape... he knew somebody close to Potters was passing information, there were only 3 persons really close to them.. its only a matter of raising their sleeve... all this doesn't speak highly of his spying abilities. Because we know he was spying for DD for a long time. Or was he also blinded by the fact that it was James and Sirius who were in danger? He would have loved all of them killed and any one of them as spy for LV would be his idea for christmas present. I don't think PP figured in his revenge anywhere. PP seems only a peripheral figure in the rivalry.  




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