Sirius revisited

[a_silmariel]

No: HPFGUIDX 104382

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<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

 
> Carolyn:
> 
> Thinking on James-the-stag a bit more this morning, it's possible we
are being asked to make a connection with the many iconic images of
stags, particularly in Scotland, [...]

> I wonder if this is supposed to have any significance, James, the
magnificent beast, born to die, king only of a tract of land fenced by
man? Doesn't bode well for our boy, who found his father inside him
that night in POA, does it?
 
Oh well, the stag is the king, but the symbolism comes from an era
were being a prince did not authomatically give you king status but
more the right to fight for your kingdomhood. Of course, you could die
in the process, as James.

So it is a good chosen symbol for someone who has that prophecy
hanging on the head.  

> Going back to Sirius, you caught a good comment there from the movie! 
> And she couldn't have laid more symbolism on with a trowel in the 
> books if she tried. What dog would not have gone mad, cooped up in a
house for months? And JKR is a dog-lover, no wonder she wept buckets
when she had to have him put him down, which she made sure was as
painless and quick as possible..

Sorry to dissapoint you and Jen but I can't consider Sirius being a
dog a good proof here, just by the kind of dog he is. He's a big black
dog, and that for me has always been the image of a hell dog. Of
course, only talking of symbolism here.

I can't trust Sirius no matter how hard I try, and I've tried.
Somehow, his story doesn't add up.

Don't know wich poster said he liked him in GoF but less in PoA and
the worst came in OoP.  

I'd liked a PoA or GoF Sirius if they were the same. But it give me
the chills anytime I read anyone of them and then the other. After
adapting to a Sirius, I have to cope with someone I don't know, and to
asume it's the same person.

I won't enter on the point-by-point discussion, because it has been
heavily covered by all sides. 

I've been thinking about this thread, and 24hrs, and ended asking
myself a question. Well. Sirius is bad. So what. How does it change
the plot?

This is thinking on Barry's idea that Sirius wouldn't last five
minutes under Voldie's sutile interrogation techniques. I agree. But
none would last Peter or Lupin. The whole thing of choosing one the 3
is dumb. Everyone knew they were friends. 

If they were trying to be betrayed and/or getting sure that a friend
would fall with them, they couldn't have done better.

If I randomly choose a traitor, what makes them a poorer option than 
Sirius? The answer is love, I suppose.

Another listie asked why Crouch Jr. taught the curses to the children
in PoA. Discussion digressed on wich of Harry's classmates would be
imperiod. This is nice as hint giving, but I also see a simpler
motive. He taught the Curses so that Harry could use them in the
future. Let's help him approach his dark side without noticing.

In Sirius case, we know as a side effect of his death he's been
prevented from Voldie's mind invasion.

Know let's suppose he's bad. A nice scenario in wich he turns sides at
the DoM and flees. If the person he trusted beyond all does this, I
can see as a result a ready to be invaded Harry. 

Carolina