SHIP: Harry and Hermione Foreshadowing in PoA movie?

[Big D]

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I'll carve this up a bit and give a point-by-point response. I'll 
give a brief disclaimer...I'm very much a believer that Ron and 
Hermione will wind up together at some point, but I'll try to be as 
objective as possible when I respond here.


mayeaux45:

> First of all Alfonso decides for a close up shot on Hermione 
> whenever Harry comes down stairs to greet them while staying at 
> the Leaky Cauldron.  

Big D:

That's not entirely correct. Hermione is standing closer to Harry 
than Ron is during that entire sequence, but at no point does the 
camera focus on her.


mayeaux45:

> Second, Alfonso so cleverly puts an homage to Y tu 
> Mama Tambien in the movie by having the three young stars console 
> each other at the execution of Buckbeak.  Note: Harry is consoling 
> Hermione and Hermione is holding on to Ron, but who is Ron 
> consoling...?  No one!  

Big D:

Several others have made the connection between that shot and Y Tu 
Mama Tambien, but honestly, I can't see anything in that shot that 
proves or disproves any SHIP, whether it's H/Hr or R/Hr.


mayeaux45:

> The third clue is when Alfonso has Hermione fall onto 
> Harry when entering the Whomping Willow tree (that's not in the 
> books)!  

Big D:

As with the previous clue, it doesn't seem to prove or disprove 
anything. It always struck me as a mild bit of slapstick 
humor...much like moments before, when Hermione grabbed Harry while 
the Willow is flinging her about and Harry's gives us a cartoon-like 
look just before he's pulled off his feet.


mayeaux45:

> Clue Four, Harry and Hermione are holding each other's hands 
> at many points in the movie (even at times when it is not needed...
> Ex: going up the stairs to the Shrieking Shack, running through 
> the forests, and so on)!!!!  

Big D:

Most of the times when they hold hands (that I can recall) comes 
from the last part of the movie, where they're constantly either 
running from one place to another, or in the midst of a particularly 
frightening situation, or both. One person grabbing the hand of the 
other to pull them along, keep them from falling behind as you run, 
etc., is not an uncommon thing, and does not indicate romantic 
attachment, or lack thereof, in my opinion. The same goes for two 
people (friends, lovers, whatever) instinctively moving closer 
together when entering an unknown and frightening place (i.e. the 
Shrieking Shack.)


mayeaux45:

> Clue Five, the music that was chosen for each scene is amazing.  
> Alfonso is known for his attention to detail.  When Harry and 
> Hermione were sitting down waiting for 'themselves' to come out of 
> the whomping willow, the imagery and music that was playing was 
> really "magical" (almost romantic?) The camera pans from the birds 
> that were flying from the sky towards Harry and Hermione sitting 
> under the tree.  

Big D:

I'll concede that the music in this scene seemed a bit more "happy" 
than the scene called for, and that I can easily see how it could be 
interpreted the way you describe it. However, I'm almost positive 
that the birds you mentioned were actually bats.


mayeaux45:

> Clue Six, Hindsight is 20/20...think about that! 
> (The Time Turner)...draw your own conclusions about this one.  

Big D:

You're going to have to elaborate for me on this one, because I have 
no idea what you're talking about here.


mayeaux45:

> Clue Seven, the position in which Harry and Hermione were sitting 
> underneath the tree.  Hermione was sitting slightly behind Harry.  
> The way in which she looked at him was foreshadowing all on its 
> own.

Big D:

That look could easily be interpreted that way, or as Hermione 
simply being very happy for Harry's happiness as he imagines life 
away from the Dursleys. As I've said several times above, there's 
insufficient evidence for either case.



If JKR intends to eventually pair off Hermione with Harry, instead 
of Ron, then's she's done a masterful job of leading us the wrong 
way, because almost all of the evidence I've ever seen supporting a 
H/Hr ship is very easily explained in other ways, while several of 
the clues pointing towards an eventual R/Hr ship are about as subtle 
as getting hit in the head with a brick.


Big D