Sirius,Snape,Lily,CoS(s)
Amey Chinchorkar
sherlockholme_ac at rediffmail.com
Mon Jul 5 17:48:37 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 104459
>>>>Andromeda here:
>>>>Well, Sirius did drag Ron into the Shrieking Shack and break his
>>>>leg, right? I suspect that is the act for which he might want to
>>>>apologize. Although I think he did apologize. But I, too, think he
>>>>just wanted to give Harry a nice present after being out of touch so
>>>>many years and to say "thanks for saving my soul from being sucked
>>>>out of my body". He did give Ron the owl (Pig) as a consolation prize.
Amey:
Are we confusing the movie and the books here. I mean if I remember right, in PoA book, Harry gets Firebolt on Christmas, and that is much before he saves Sirius. In fact at that time, Hermione tells McGonagall and she takes the Firebolt away to check for spells because they believe that the broom has been sent by Sirius (they were right there, not spells part :)). So he gave Firebolt to Harry as "a birthday gift for 13 birthdays" (PoA - not exact words, sorry.). He gave Pig to Ron because "it was his fault" Scabbers vanished. (Though that was a good thing).
>>>>Question though, did fake Moody say the name?
Amey:
I can clarify here. He (the fake Moody) is always saying "Dark Lord" at least from what I remember, he never once says LV's name.
>>>>Cathy:
>>>>> Does this mean that Snape was a member of the Order, left (for
>>>>some reason) to be a Death Eater, then returned (for some reason) to
>>>>the Order and turned spy? He is an accomplished Occlumens, could he
>>>>have possibly become a Death Eater only to be a spy for the Order?
>>>>> Just a curiosity as I came across it in reading this morning.
Amey:
What I think about it is, Snape first was DE, but somewhere down the line he changed his line and turned spy for Order. Some points of interest there:
1. What made him change the side? (Must have been discussed about zillion times, so please forgive me for raising this. But I think this is one important point which will be cleared in 6 & 7)
2.Now that DD has declared himself that he was spy before LV was defeated for the first time in front of many witnesses, how
could he return to LV and still be alive? (I mean, somebody would notice if Snape took a leaf out of Binn's book and started teaching even after he is killed by LV, right? I think, he is taking a great risk here... One point for Snape supporters).
>>>>>Ruth wrote:
>>>>>When the Weasley twins explain the Marauder's Map to Harry, they tell him that they used to use a certain tunnel under
>>>>>Hogwarts but it's been caved in, blocked.
>>>>>What blocked it? My guess is the rebounding curse of Professor Lockheart using Ron's damaged wand and the subsequent
>>>>>rockslide that separated Harry from Ron. It suggests that there may have been more than one entry to the Chamber of
>>>>>Secrets, and that the Chamber contained more secrets than just Tom Riddle and the Basilisk. And you needn't be a
>>>>>Parselmouth to access it. The Weasley twins may simply have followed the easiest path and ignored the movie-oriented
>>>>>doorway to Salazar Slytherin's secret chamber. Why the Marauder's Map could discern the tunnel and none of the elder
>>>>>wise wizards could - well, that's anyone's guess.
Amey :
Well, one thing is that the doorway is also mentioned in the book. But yes, there could be more than one gate. Though I doubt how they never come across Basilisk or at least its great green (I don't remember the full description, sorry) skin, or they just didn't mention it to anybody? But I am sure of one thing, I for one will be eager to learn why it is called "Chamber of Secrets" even though the only Secret we know as coming out of it till now is Basilisk (not considering the great statue of SS). It must have something else than just a snake and statue.
>>>>>Andromeda
>>>>>Well, maybe that's a little harsh, but by the end of that Penseive
>>>>>scene, were you not disgusted by everyone but Lily? Maybe 15-year-
>>>>>old boys just aren't very likeable? Harry, of course, was focused on
>>>>>the shock of his father's behavior.. after all his idolizing of his
>>>>>father throughout the other books, not too surprising, even though it
>>>>>was his mother that saved his life. She's gotten suspiciously short
>>>>>shrift. Saving up some bombshells for the end, I hope.
Amey:
Well, as I am a boy, I can say that the boys normally idolize their fathers. Mothers are normally just taken for granted. So it is quite natural that he idolizes his father. After all James was on House Quiddich team (a Chaser if I remember right), he was top of class, he created The Map, he was a part of Marauders. As opposed to that, what do we know about Lily? She had green eyes (somehow this comes up everywhere, so adding it to the list), she was a Prefect, and she was ready to stand against a popular hero (read James) for a person who insulted her. That's all. It speaks something of her character of course, but it is not as much as we know about others who are equally or sometimes even less central to the theme. So I think, there is some story yet to come from Lily. Bombshells? Well, maybe. But I don't see it fitting in HBP part anywhere, so I think we might have to wait for the 7th part for it unless HBP is someone related to her and not TMR as I believe.
As usual, the post has become a long one, so signing off before all stop reading my mails
Amey
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