Acronyms/The Prophecy/Ron'sFirstWand/Crookshanks as HBP

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Mon Jul 5 21:59:23 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 104470

Pandrea wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104420 :

<< By the way, what does ESE mean? Eventually Secretly Evil? And
what's this SAD Defence thingy? >>

ESE is an acronym for Ever So Evil, which means 'secretly on LV's
side'. SAD DENIAL is an acronym for something that means that the
speaker refuses to believe that Sirius is really dead just because of
falling through the Veil. Abbreviations and acronyms can be looked up
at Inish Alley at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=28

Carin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104426 :

<< (To quote the section we're discussing, for reference: "and either
must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other
survives") (snip) What seems unambiguous to me is the second half of
the bit quoted above: what is absolutely precluded by the prophecy is
that both would survive. One or the other or both will die, but Harry
AND Voldy living happily ever after is not in the cards. Dumbledore is
pretty unambiguous, too, about a death being involved when he answers
Harry's question about what the prophecy means. >>

Suppose The Other is a third party. 'Either (The Dark Lord or the One
or both) must die at the hand of The Other for neither (The Dark Lord
or the One) can live while The Other survives'. 

The only way I can think of it being so important that The Other must
survive (important enough to be worth Harry's life) is if The Other is
the whole wizarding world, or the whole Muggle world. For the
wizarding world to survive, both The One and The Dark Lord must die,
one of them by legal execution? 

But if Neville is The Other, then Harry could be killed by LV in a
fight which weakens LV enough for Neville to rush in and kill LV.

Hermione Kitten (meow!) wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104443 :

<< Take Ron, if I remember correctly we didn't know what his first
wand was either >>

Actually, PS/SS says:
The rat was still snoozing on Ron's lap.

"He might have died and you wouldn't know the difference," said Ron in
disgust. "I tried to turn him yellow yesterday to make him more
interesting, but the spell didn't work. I'll show you, look..."

He rummaged around in his trunk and pulled out a very battered-looking
wand. It was chipped in places and something white was glinting at the
end.

"Unicorn hair's nearly poking out. Anyway ... "

So we know Ron's first wand had a unicorn hair core. One can argue
that we only know this because it was important to JKR to show Ron's
poverty by his used wand being worn out, or that the only reason for
the 'spell' to turn Scabbers yellow was to let readers know it was
unicorn hair.

Jerri Chase wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104452 :

<< I think it is possible that Crookshanks is the HBP, as we know he
is Half Kneazle (and thus a half blood) and unusually smart. >>

I love this idea, but how would Crookshanks have been in Book 2?





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