CHAPTER DISCUSSION: Chapter 22 - St. Mungo's Hospital

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 104740


I, Del, wrote :
> Throughout the verbal fight between the Weasley kids and Sirius, I
> felt like screaming at the twins "Here ! That's EXACTLY why nobody
> wants to make kids like you members of the Order ! Because you're
> unreliable under pressure". Molly might be annoying at times but 
> she's right : the kids are *kids* and must to a certain extent be 
> treated as such. To what extent is the problem of course.

vmonte responded :
> I don't really blame the Weasley kids for getting upset.

Del replies :
Oh, I don't blame them for getting upset either ! As you said, their
father might be dying, it's perfectly normal that they want to be with
him. I don't blame them either for not caring about the Order at that
time. As I said, they are just *kids* after all.

But I *am* saying that as long as they are kids and act like it when
under pressure, the adults are right not to make them members of the
Order. Not that I believe that all members of the Order can be trusted
when pressured, but anyway...

vmonte wrote :
> I think that the children should be allowed in the Order.  It's 
> obvious to me that DD is training them anyway.  The way I see it, 
> Harry and gang are the ones who have been doing all the hard work 
> anyway.  

Del replies :
I agree that DD is *training* the kids, but I disagree that they
should be made members of the Order. At least not before the end of
OoP, not before they fully realise what is really at stake. 

Harry is the only exception. He's fought LV several times, and he's
*already* proven that he doesn't break under pressure. So yes, maybe
Harry should have been allowed in the Order. But the others ? Nope.
They've never met LV (well, Ginny has, but it wasn't present-day LV),
they've never fought him or his DEs, they've never shown how well they
can take pressure (as shown in their argument with Sirius, the Weasley
kids might break if they think one of their parents is in danger). And
most of them don't even know how to fight properly. 

And I disagree that it's the kids who've been doing all the hard work.
Guarding that Prophecy might not look like much, but it's a dangerous
job, just look at what happened to some of the guardians : one
Imperiod and sent to Azkaban, one attacked by a deadly snake... It's
also a dangerous job to try and recruit people for the Order, or to at
least convince people that the Ministry is lying and LV is really
back. Especially when you have powerful DEs buying or Imperioing
influent people throughout the Ministry, or just evil or coward people
refusing to face the truth.
I agree that Harry is the one who keeps fighting LV, because that's
his fate. However, without the support of his friends and the Order,
he wouldn't make it very far. If he had gone straight to the DoM with
only Ron and Hermione and without warning Snape, as he first intended
to, then chances are that all three of them would be dead at the end
of OoP. The Order might be doing a more peripherical job than Harry
and the gang, but that doesn't mean it's any less important.

Del