CHAPTER DISCUSSION: Chapter 22 - St. Mungo's Hospital

delwynmarch delwynmarch at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 7 15:51:22 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 104842


Lee wrote :
> Agreed, and I know a lot of adults who would probably react like Fred
> and George, et al.  This is personal; this is family who's hurt and 
> the first thing one would probably want to do is be with that loved 
> person.

Del replies :
But isn't this one of the first lessons the Trio learned, at the end
of PS/SS ? When Ron gets beaten by the Queen on the giant chess set,
Harry and Hermione have to fight their instinct to go to him. Had they
moved, they would have lost everything. Granted, the kids are not
technically family, but their frienship is already very strong at that
time.

Lee wrote :
> Look, IMO, I don't care how much experience and such a person may 
> have, but when we're talking about someone really close, all that 
> detachment can fly out the proverbial window; the instinct to get to 
> the hurt one is alive and well.  If that's considered childish, well, 
> perhaps, then, I'd never work out in the order, either...and I'm no 
> kid. :-)

Del replies :
It's not the *instinct* I'm discussing, it's the *actions* of the
Weasley kids. Sirius explains to them very clearly in what danger they
would put Harry and the Order if they went to see their father right
now, and *still* the kids won't stay put. It's quite clear to me that
if Sirius had not been there to restrain them, they would have gone,
even when knowing full well what the consequences might be.

We're not talking about *normal life* here. We're talking about a
*war* situation. The Order reminds me a lot of those Resistance groups
(I'm French, I was raised on their stories) during the WWII. They were
organised in cells, and unfortunately, it happened every once in a
while that a cell was betrayed, voluntarily or *unvoluntarily*, and
threats, real or imaginary, to one's family was a classic tool used to
make someone yield. Which is precisely why the groups were organised
in cells, so that a base member of a cell couldn't betray more than
just their cell. It was only the leaders who knew about the other
cells and they were supposed to be more cold-blooded, tough and
dedicated to the Resistance, even unto their torture or death or that
of their family if necessary.

But the case of the Order is slightly different, in that it is
(apparently) composed of only one cell. If the Ministry had sniffed
something weird about the Weasleys, they could easily have
interrogated them. A few drops of Veritaserum, and the whole Order is
shot, and Harry's connection to LV is revealed...

Del






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