The Mirror and the Heart

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 105395

Attempting to piece a bunch of stuff together on this thread.  
Forgive me, please, if it's disjointed.

1) SSSusan:
> . . . when he also KNEW that Harry would be tempted to sit there
> and rot in front of it, tormented.  Yes, thrilled beyond measure, 
> but also so obsessed that he couldn't tear himself away.


Aggie: with evil grin on face, responds. . .
> . . .Sounds a lot like this group!!! LOL! I sit here, in front of
> this 'puter and rot!!! Ha ha ha

> Apologies, couldn't resist! ;o)

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2) > Jen, noting she & Susan *disagreed* on something, not an 
> everyday event for sure :).

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3) SSSusan:
> Aw, shucks. Two of my favorite posters don't like my theory. It's
> no wonder I don't do much theorizing. ;-)
>

Neri:
> Other members not liking my theories never stopped me. It is the 
> lack of any response that is the real bitch...

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SSSusan:
Ha!  Three comments, to each of which I can reply with the same 
remark:  AIN'T IT THE TRUTH??  <g>


Okay, SERIOUSLY now. 
SSSusan disagreed w/ Kneasy:
> BTW, I don't think Harry's deepest desire was to get out of there
> at that moment. I don't think he was focusing on that *yet*. I 
> think his deepest desire was truly to STOP Q!V, and THIS is 
> precisely what DD was testing in Harry. WOULD his deepest desire 
> be to split, or would it be (as DD suspected & hoped) to stop Q!V 
> and protect the stone?

halli replied:
> I think in the book that Harry actually says that his deepest 
> desire is to get the stone before Q!V does...let me try and find 
> it...
> SS Am Ed, pg 291
> "Harry's mind was racing. What I want more than anything else in 
> the world at the moment, he thought, is to find the Stone before 
> Quirrell does. So if I look in the mirror, I should see myself 
> finding it..."

> So it wouldn't be to stop Quirrell nessesarily, but to simply find 
> it first, and then get out of there, you'd think.

SSSusan:
Thank you for that, Halli!  I'll still take that as support for my 
view--at least the focus was on the stone & stopping Q, and not on 
getting out of there.


James Lawlor wrote:
> I think a better way to say it would have been "who wanted to
> find the stone, but not for its use". Quirrel wanted to find the
> Stone, not to use it himself, but definitely for its use. Harry 
> wanted to find the Stone, but so that it could not be used, thus 
> Harry found the stone in his pocket.

SSSusan:
Good--another person who sees the word "use" this way.  And who 
stated it much more clearly than I did.



Jen wrote this:
>> I was thinking about the nature of the WW, and how the rules are 
different for children dealing with danger at an early age. I still 
don't think DD set up the 7 tasks strictly for Harry, but he does 
allow Harry to experience the WW pretty much on his own, unless 
Harry is in imminent danger AND Dumbledore happens to know about the 
danger & can get to the situation quickly (i.e., the MOM).<<

SSSusan:
Now, we definitely agree on this--that rules regarding danger seem 
markedly different in the WW.  But this *is* probably the weakest 
part of my argument.  How could DD set the whole thing up as a test 
for Harry and still be sure he was available in case the situation 
got out of hand?  Answer:  I don't know...but he DID get there, 
didn't he?? :-)


SSSusan had asked:
> As an aside, is it possible that Snape shared his suspicions of
> Quirrell with DD, or do you think Severus kept that to himself? If
> the latter, why is that?

Neri replied:
>>And had Snape told DD he suspects Quirrell (or had DD suspected
Quirrell by himself) do you think DD couldn't see into Quirrell's
turban, or into Quirrell's mind? He certainly saw Voldy through
Harry's eyes in OotP.

And did Hagrid fail to tell DD that a unicorn was killed in the
forest, or did DD fail to understand the significance of this?

Nope, I find it much more probable that DD suspected LV was around
and trying to steal the Stone, but he didn't know where exactly is LV
hiding, and he didn't suspect it is so close, or he wouldn't have
left Hogwarts. It seems Snape was working on his own without
consulting DD. He probably felt that in order to get even with James'
memory he must save Harry by himself.<<

SSSusan again:
So if DD did have an inkling that Voldy was close by somewhere, does 
that support my theory at all, that the whole thing was set up as a 
test for Harry?  That that's why DD didn't DO more about this 
information?  I mean, how can DD know so MUCH sometimes and then NOT 
know things like this?  That frustrates me as a reader!

Your explanation for Snape's keeping this to himself, btw, is the 
only possible explanation that's made any sense to me so far.

Siriusly Snapey Susan