Return from the Underworld in Ancient Mythology (Re: Sirius Black)

[Brenda M.]

No: HPFGUIDX 105781

> > > mhbobbin wrote:
> > There have been many excellent comments on this ancient myth-
> related theory. My personal take on it is that in each case of 
returning from the Underworld in Classic Mythology, there is some 
negotiation and then some condition put upon the event. <examples 
snipped.> So even in Ancient Mythology there's more to it than 
knowing where the entrance is and knowing how to get past the giant 
three headed dog.(Just where is Fluffy these days?) No doubt JKR will 
devise her own twists on the rules should she pursue a story line 
like this. <snip>
> > 
> > Carol responded:
> > As one who is quite happy to leave Sirius as he is and get on 
with the story, I may be a bit prejudiced here. But I think it's 
quite possible that we've already had our symbolic journey into 
the "underworld," complete with a three-headed dog bought from 
a "Greek chappie" (significance, anyone?) in Book 1. (BTW, that's 
another place where the filmmakers messed up, changing the 
nationality of the "chappie.")
> 
> adi wrote:
> Well, that track is already used in OOTP. In every epic, the hero 
> is taken midway to the underworld by a prophetess where he gets to 
> meet his lost parent and gets to know rest of his destiny. The 
entire plot of OOTP was based on this element. Harry went to the 
underworld, here, the department of mysteries which is underground 
and that veil thing and finds the prophecy. <<<


Bren now:

Hmm. Haven't thought about it that way before. Perhaps that's what is 
hidden behind that door in Department of Mysteries -- Underworld. Or 
what about Harry's trial in the beginning of OoP? That was held 
underground as well...

This convinces me more and more that D-Dore didn't make mistake of 
telling Harry of the prophecy in fact, he was planning on something 
like this to happen... He *meant* Harry to go to the Underworld...


>>> Adi contunues: The prophetess element was played by Luna and 
Sybill combined. Notice the trick on their names. A sybil is a 
prophetess and the particular sybil who took Aeneas to underground 
was Deiphobe or in other words Luna as both are related to the moon. 
The lost parent part was played a bit before when Harry gets to see 
how his parents were like in thier infancy and a bit when Sirius lost 
his life. I think the senior Potter's track will be played a bit 
longer but Sirius's chapter is closed. <<<


Bren now:

I'm not familiar with the story Adi mentioned at all (especially the 
one with sybil and Aeneas) but I do believe Sirius' chapter isn't 
closed yet, quite the contrary -- I think his legacy is about to open 
up. It seems to me (and I've mentioned this) that JKR went extra 
length to create a complicated character and then disposed him rather 
quickly. After all, one of HP book is dedicated to Sirius Black and 
another heavily dependent upon his presumable "death"...

Combine SAD DENIAL to JKR's comment about the Two-Way Mirror on her 
website...


>>> Adi wrote:
> Maybe we should read the epics again, Odyssey and Aeneid, to guess 
> what happens after the undeground travel. Although I liked the 
> suggestion that the original blood prince was Dracula.

Bren now: Original blood prince was Dracula?!?! Then does that make 
Vampire!Snape the Half Blood Prince?!?! Lol...

By the way, if anyone is familiar with it, what is the canon 
supporting Vampire!Snape (besides the fact that Lupin set the essay 
after Snape's Werewolf assignment)?

Brenda