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[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 105800


I, Del, wrote :
> > I mean, honestly ! He even tried to *force* Lily to go out with him
> >  !

Amey asnwered :
> He wasn't forcing Lily to go with him. It was just a ploy. Even if 
> Lily had agreed to this, I don't think James would have ceased 
> teasing Snape (as we know he didn't.) *Snape was a special case as he
> also never lost a chance to hex James*. So it was just a question, 
> the other part of it (I will never raise a wand on Snape) was 
> inconsequential in both person's minds.

Del replies :
Wouldn't that be even worse than forcing Lily ? Making a promise that
he knew he wouldn't keep ? No matter that Snape knew that he wouldn't,
if Lily had said yes, and James had not kept his promise, he would
have been a liar and someone who doesn't keep his promises. But then
I'm sure Lily knew all of that, knew he couldn't keep his wand off
Snape. I wonder how James would have managed, if Lily had accepted his
offer...

Amey wrote :
> Are you trying to apply laws of Physics and Logic to human emotions? 
> They don't apply here. Otherwise 
> 1. Snape is working for Order
> 2. Sirius is working for the same Order
> 3. They are working on same side, so they are friends.
> would be true.

Del replies :
Nope, because you're missing a *crucial* point in your demonstration :
the law that says that Order members must be friends. It would go
something like this :
1. Snape is working for the Order.
2. Sirius is working for the Order.
3. Members of the Order are friends.
Conclusion : Sirius and Snape are friends.
You *can* fool me on logic, but it's not so easy :-)

And I wasn't applying logic to the characters' emotions, only to our
reading of their actions. Though people's actions and emotions *are*
often dictated by some kind of logic.

Amey wrote :
> This is not Sorting Hat being wrong. It saw properties of both the 
> houses in Harry's head, and so it went for Harry's choice.

Del replies :
Agreed. Personally, I don't have any trouble with someone being a true
Gryffindor *and* at the same time a true Slytherin. The qualities
required for both Houses are not exclusive : one can be all together
courageous and cunning and ambitious and loyal and hard-working and
extremely intelligent, or any combination of those.

Del