Snape, Harry, Dumbledore, and flaws in the books

[Brenda M.]

No: HPFGUIDX 106023

>>> Aggie wrote:
> Although I do tease my 
> daughters by telling them that Sirius had to die so that Snape 
could end up adopting Harry!!  Aren't I cruel!!  ;o) <<<

Brenda: GASP! You *are* cruel! <g> Imagine, would that be WORSE than 
living with Vernon and that Du-du-du-Dudley? I shudder to think that!


>>> Me eariler:
> I still think it was better that DD told Harry late than early (at 
> > least AFTER Harry practiced Occlumency to some degree).<SNIP>. 
> > The content of prophecy is overwhelming, extremely so for a young 
> > teenage wizard (no matter how powerful he is). >SNIP> 
>  
> Aggie responded:
> I'm a believer that Harry should have been told MORE than he was, 
but I agree on our points about the prophecy being too much for 
> him.  Could/should he not have been told more but not necessarily 
> told the whole lot? He could have been told that as LV was stronger 
> that the link between them would be strengthened and there was a 
> possibility of LV taking over his thoughts.  He could have been 
> warned that if he started having strange dreams or dreams that seem 
> real that he was to inform a member of the Order.  This would have 
> given him more information without actually telling him about the 
> prophecy.  If this had happened then maybe Harry wouldn't have been 
> as curious to find out where the door lead to and Snape's lessons 
> might have had more impact and Sirius probably wouldn't have died 
and the book wouldn't have been as good!!! ;o)
> 
> Anyway, I completely digress because the reason I've butted in on 
> your discussion (apologies) was to ask you, Brenda, why you think 
> that Harry telling Sirius about Frank Bryce would have changed 
> anything? <<<


Bren now:

Heh? I thought you answered your question yourself earlier in the 
post: "He could have been warned that if he started having strange 
dreams or dreams that seem real that he was to inform a member of the 
Order." But let me elaborate on this for a bit.

As for as we know, Harry's dream about Frank Bryce, wormtail, Nagini 
(spell?) in the Riddle House is the first (real) indication of Harry-
VM connection. Throughout GoF Harry was given the explanation of 'his 
scar hurts when VM is near or feeling particularly strong emotions'. 
That is DD's own guess, even DD is not too sure about this in GoF. 
But as we know, Harry's FB dream was way more than that. He had heard 
conversations between VM and Wormtail, about Bertha Jonkins and Harry 
himself being named as the victim. He saw the old Muggle being 
murdered in his dream. His "dream" held a lot of crucial clues to 
VM's return. The content of dream was *too* important to regard as a 
normal dream, IMO.

I believe DD might have suspected this deep connection between them, 
but he wasn't too sure. He wasn't given enough information from the 
dreamer himself to begin with. This appears to be a very rare 
connection amongst wizards. If Harry had slipped up (ever so 
slightly) that he had a *weird dream* in which VM killed someone and 
named him the victim, it would have alerted big fat red flag in 
Sirius and DD's minds, IMO.

Funny to see how both of my paragraphs end in IMO, after all these 
are just my speculation and me blabbing won't change JKR's story, 
IMO. (Ha!)


Brenda, wondering how your daughters react to Snape adopting Harry at 
the end?