Snape, Harry, Dumbledore, and flaws in the books

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 106041

"Agnes Raggett" <aggie at r...> wrote:
>>> I'm with Huntergreen. This was never going to work, as DD
realises in the end (but too late!). If the tutor and the student do
not appreciate each other then it will NOT work. This was forced
onto both of them. Had Lupin been able to teach it then I'm sure
it would have worked because Lupin would have got Harry
interested. Snape (and Harry) just wanted to get done and out. <<<

Pippin responded:
>>Nope, I don't think it would have worked even if Lupin had taught
Harry. Nothing to do with ESE!Lupin theory here, just that even
after Harry made some progress at Occlumency, he never tried
to use it to control the dreams or to keep himself from dwelling
on what he saw in them.<<

HunterGreen:
Exactly. Lupin's method's worked not because he was better or because 
the method was better (which it wasn't, that was my point, the method 
was the *same*), but because Harry *wanted* to learn. Harry not 
learning in this instance has very little to do with Snape's 
teaching, it just seems like its Snape's fault because he was so 
nasty about it (and because Harry tries to blame him).

Pippin wrote:
>> It doesn't really matter that the vision of Sirius was false--even 
if Sirius had truly been held captive, Harry shouldn't have gone 
after him. <<

HunterGreen:
That's true. And that's one of the things that really bothered me 
when I was reading OotP. Harry and the others had no real plan 
besides just walzting into the MoM, as though a bunch of kids could 
save Sirius from *death eaters*. That chapter is the only time I've 
really been pulled out of the book, and felt like I was reading a 
children's story....at least in the past there was some reason why it 
was Harry in the end going after something that an adult should be 
doing, in this instance they should have tried to find another adult 
besides Snape to tell the story to (I'm sure they could have found a 
way to contact at least Ron's parents). The whole thing was just 
ridiculous, I can understand Harry and Ron rushing off without 
thinking about it, but Hermione? And then Luna, Neville and Ginny? 
(esepecially since they barely knew what was going on).