Goyle and Babyhead (was Re: Draco Malfoy)

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 13 20:28:43 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 106060

I (Carol) wrote: 
You mentioned Goyle Sr. in the part of your post that I snipped. 
It's true that he wasn't named by Lucius Malfoy in what amounts to a 
roll call of the DEs present in the MoM, but he could be the
baby-headed Death Eater, who was out of the picture at that point if I
recall correctly. Since the other DEs were rounded up and placed under
an anti-apparating spell, the baby-head and the injured Nott were
probably also caught and placed in St. Mungo's. Whether they were
cured and sent to Azkaban or are still in the hospital is anybody's
guess. But Gregory Goyle's behavior at the end of GoF suggests that
his father shared the fate of Crabbe Sr. and Lucius Malfoy, meaning
that Goyle Sr. is probably in Azkaban with his DE friends. Only
Bellatrix and Voldemort escaped, as far as we know.
 
Potioncat responded:
> 
> Actually Carol, someone did actually come up with canon for naming 
> all 12 DEs at the DoM and Goyle was not one. <snip>


Carol responds:
Yes, I know. That's what I meant by the "roll call," the passage where
Lucius names everyone who's present and pairs them off (the same place
where he callously tells them to "Leave Nott!"). I noticed the first
time I read the chapter that Goyle's name is not among them, which I
thought (and still think) was odd given Goyle Jr.'s unchanged
relationship with Crabbe Jr. and Draco at the end of OoP.

Something is up. Either Goyle Sr. is part of a plan to rescue the
others despite being deficient in the brains department (otherwise his
son's continued friendship with Draco is unaccountable) or his absence
is a flint and JKR just forgot to include him in Malfoy's list. I
thought maybe the incident with the Baby-headed Death Eater occurred
before the roll call, in which case Goyle wouldn't be among those
whose names are called because he's incapacitated. That would have
been a possible explanation for Goyle's name not being included (which
I knew it wasn't.) Truth be told, I was being lazy and hoping that
someone else would look it up for me, but, alas, I'm reduced to doing
it myself.

Lucius names the DEs on page 788 (Am. ed.). The injured Nott is
abandoned; Bellatrix is paired with her husband, Rodolphus; his
brother Rabastan is with Crabbe; Jugson with Dolohov; Macnair with
Avery; and Mulciber with Malfoy himself. Rookwood is left without a
partner. 

Unfortunately for my theory, the baby-head incident occurs two pages
later (p. 790, Am. ed.), so it can't be Goyle. And it isn't Dolohov,
who's later identified, or his partner, Jugson, who appears with him
just after the bab-head incident; it can't be Rodolphus, whose partner
is Bellatrix (the baby-head has a male partner); it can't be the
partnerless Rookwood (who's specifically identified later, anyway);
and it can't be Mulciber, who's with Malfoy. It's not Macnair, who
later gets stabbed in the eye by Harry's wand. That leaves Crabbe,
Rabastan Lestrange, and Avery. But I don't think it's Avery, because
Harry would have recognized him (or at least his voice). And he saw a
younger Rabastan in the Pensieve and *might* be able to recognize him.
More important in my view, Bellatrix later appears as the leader of
three Death Eaters, one of whom is probably Rabastan, who has lost his
partner and joined with his brother and sister-in-law as he did when
they Crucio'd the Longbottoms. So the baby-head is probably Crabbe
Sr., Rabastan's partner. If so, is he in St. Mungo's or Azkaban?
Either way, Crabbe Jr. has good reason for a grudge against Harry and
his friends, as does Draco. (Theo Nott is another matter. If he finds
out that Draco's dad ordered the others to abandon *his* father. . . .)

And to return to the original question, where is Goyle Sr.? If he
really wasn't in the MoM, why is Draco still on good terms with Goyle
Jr., who acts as if his father is in Azkaban, too? Clearly he isn't,
unless it's a flint, so what's up? And is Crabbe Sr. rather than Goyle
Sr. in St. Mungo's closed ward?

Carol, expecting an encounter between Harry and one or more DEs' sons
next time Harry visits St. Mungo's





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