Trewlawney is her grandmother??
justcarol67
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Wed Jul 14 07:23:51 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 106159
Becki wrote:
<snip> I thought it was obvious that Sybil was "channeling" the
prophecy from Cassandra, both times, since #1, it was not her voice,
#2 she doesn't have any recolection of the experience and actually
flat out denies to to Harry, and #3, doesn't seem to have any other
real seer powers. Maybe I was wrong to assume this theory?
Carol responds:
But then who was Cassandra, a famous Seer with many Prophecies to her
credit, channeling? And what about all those other (copied) Prophecies
in the DoM (many but not all of them now destroyed)? I very much doubt
that all of those Seers channeled Cassandra Trelawney, and none would
be speaking in her own voice.
I know that some people think that Sybill/Sibyll Trelawney's first
Prophecy is a hoax, but that isn't necessarily implied by the fact
that she can't remember the prophecy. In fact, that's an indication
that it did indeed come from somewhere else (not a DE, as some have
recently suggested). I think something more like the daemons that the
Greeks believed "inspired" their orators is involved. (Anyone familiar
with Plato's "Ion"?) The name "sybil," of course, means prophetess or
oracle. IIRC, the oracle at Delphi was a Sybil who spoke the words of
Apollo as a sort of medium. I'm guessing that Seers in the WW are also
mediums: the question is, whose words they're speaking.
The Prophecies must be real, or the DoM wouldn't take the trouble to
collect and label and preserve them. And yet the future can't be fixed
and absolute, predetermined, or the element of Choice on which JKR and
Dumbledore place so much emphasis would be meaningless. As I read it,
the Prophecies are ambiguous and can be fulfilled in various ways, but
their fulfillment in *some* form is inevitable. As in Greek mythology,
attempts to thwart the Prophecy lead to their complete or partial
fulfillment, usually not in a form favorable to the person who tried
to thwart them--witness the "marking" of Harry as Voldemort's equal,
which fulfills one element of the Prophecy but not the whole. Other
choices by Voldemort or Harry will bring about the rest--but the when
and the how are as yet undetermined.
Anyway, I don't know whose the voice is, but it appears to be a voice
from the as-yet-uncreated Future--a Mystery as great as Death itself.
i very much doubt that it's Cassandra's.
With regard to the use of "Dark Lord" rather than Voldemort, a concern
raised by another poster (sorry I don't remember who), Voldemort is
not Tom Riddle's real name. It's a name he assumed based on an anagram
for Tom Marvolo Riddle. But he's the "Lord" of the Dark side, so the
term is accurate. As for You Know Who or He Who Must Not Be Named,
those are WW euphemisms not likely to be used by an oracle speaking
with the authoritative voice of whatever immortal being or spirit or
entity Trelawney is channeling.
Just my interpretation.
Carol
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