Death Eaters in the DoM

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 106355

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at y...> 
wrote:

<snip - my evidence and post> 
> As I read your post, I thought I might have an alternate means of
> solving the puzzle. 
> 
<snip Lucius' Directions>

Mike:

I had originally looked at the directions given by Lucius to try and 
determine who the four were that chased Luna's group. I really 
couldn't determine this because it is rather obvious that Lucius is 
physically pointing to certain doors. We know the floor plan of the 
DoM is rather weird with doors at different places that make most of 
the rooms interconnected.

"Go right" and "go left" to me just meant that there happened to be 
a door to the left and to the right of where the group was standing. 
However, I think it's safe to assume that other exits didn't have 
convienent directions such as left and right (other than Straight 
through there). "Go here" to me indicates the door may have been at 
a position such as "5 O'clock" rather than an easy place to describe.

Steve again: 
> So give the implied proximity, and that we know Jugson and Dolohov
> come into the room as the second pair of DE's, that leaves us with
> Macnair and Avery as one pair, and Malfoy and Mulciber as the 
other.

Mike:

I'm rather confused by this because there are only 2 pairs of DE's 
that fight with Harry/Hermione/Neville. The first group is 
completely un-named and one of them gets their head turned into a 
baby's. The second group is Antonin Dolohov and Jugson (it's safe to 
assume the second is Jugson). When you say "Macnair and Avery as one 
pair with Malfoy and Mulciber as another" that's already two pairs, 
where do Dolohov and Jugson fit in?

Like I also mentioned in the original post I made, if Lucius had 
actually fought Harry/Hermione/Neville he would have taunted them or 
done something else to make Harry recognize him. 
 
Steve again:
> I too was under the assumption that Avery was small, but I search 
for
> references to him in both GoF and OotP, and couldn't actually find 
a
> description of him. Then I thought perhaps I had mistaken the
> description of Rookwood in Harry's 'Voldemort dream' for Avery who
> enters the room when Rookwood leaves, while Rookwood's posture is
> described as 'cowering', but his overal stature in not described. 
So,
> no chance of confusing the two.

Mike: 

You're right! I too just poured over GoF and OotP and found no 
description of Avery. I'm not sure why I believed that he couldn't 
be large and muscular, but I just don't see someone like that 
blubbering away at LV's feet in the Graveyard. This is rather 
stereotypical of me, however.

The only place where I found someone who may have been Avery was 
during the Lestrange/Crouch Jr. trial in the pensieve as the fourth 
man.

"The Dementors placed each of the four people in the four chairs 
with chained arms which now stood on the dungeon floor. There was a 
thickset man who stared blankly up at Crouch, a thinner and more 
nervous looking man, who's eyes were darting around the crowd..." 
GoF pg 516, Canadian Paperback.

I'm not sure if you've read the posts that were around a few days 
ago about Avery being this fourth nervous man, who sold out the 
Lestranges and Crouch Jr. to not go to Azkaban, but this sounds 
plausible. 

I don't see Rodolphus Lestrange as someone who would be this 
nervous, especially after being married to someone as psychotic as 
Bellatrix, so I believe that he is the "thickset man".

The arguements for Avery being the other man and his apologies in 
the Graveyard scene (selling out the Lestranges?) have been made in 
those other topics so I wont really bother going over them in detail 
here, but all in all there is really no conclusive evidence to his 
size and build.

The babyheaded DE could been one of the following people: Mulciber, 
Crabbe, Rabastan or Avery. It cannot be Rodolphus Lestrange because 
if Bellatrix had been there (she was already unmasked, and even then 
is easily recognizable), we'd have known. We do not know anything 
about Mulciber other than the fact that he was an Imperius 
specialist (GoF Ch. "The Pensieve"), however the DE who gets knocked 
into the Time jar was trying to AK Hermione... doesn't prove 
anything, but I found it interesting. We know that Crabbe fits the 
description, we know absolutely nothing about Rabastan and we have 
both assumed that Avery is thin built (we both seemed to assume this 
despite the fact there is no canon available).

Well, with our luck JKR will make it end up being Rabastan since we 
know absolutely nothing about him and thus no one will care. 
Anyways, any further insights into this would be appreciated.

Mike