[HPforGrownups] SHIP Hermione's Reaction to... Was: Re: Harry's first Kiss

[udder_pen_dragon]

No: HPFGUIDX 106442



delwynmarch <delwynmarch at yahoo.com> wrote:

Udderpd wrote 1st :
> > >I agree that she would have to tell Ron in words of one syllable
> > > > what she thinks of him for it to get through his thick head and I
> > > believe that she would do this if she fancied him. 

Del replied :
> > Uh ? You lost me there. Why would Hermione tell Ron in no uncertain
> > terms to get lost (which is basically what I suggested) if she 
> > *fancied* him ?
> > If she fancies him, she might *not* want to openly talk about it 
> > with Ron, especially considering that he doesn't seem ready to face
> > his own feelings.

Udderpd answered :
> You are misconstruing what I wrote and I am sorry if I wasn't clear.
> You have added a "to get lost" She wont tell him anything if she 
> doesn't fancy him she will only tell him anything if she likes him 
> and that would be that she likes him.

Del replies :
I added a "to get lost" because that was the original point :
you asked : "I will ask what will she have to say to tell him I am not
interested in you romanticly"
to which I replied "State it clearly, any time he acts jealous ?"

By the way, you are kind of contradicting by first asking what she
should tell Ron to make him understand that she doesn't fancy him, and
then saying that she won't say anything.

And I already replied to your point of what and whether Hermione would
tell Ron anything if she did fancy him : not necessarily. She might
not want to act on her feelings right now, and she's aware that Ron
hasn't faced his feelings for her yet.


I, Del, wrote :
> If Hermione simply doesn't fancy Ron, I see no reason why her telling
> so should cause any rift in the Trio. Could you explain to me why it 
> would ?

Udderpd answered : 
> So you are trying to tell me that Ron wasn't jealous of Krum going to
> the ball with Hermione? His attitude is if I don't have any other 
> girl then Hermione should be mine, he cares not one jot what she 
> thinks.

Del replies :
First of, I don't think Ron wants Hermione by default. I think he's
truly smitten with her and her only.
Second, yes Ron is jealous, but I don't see that it's creating any
rift in the Trio. Why should it be worse if Hermione made it clear
that she doesn't fancy him back ?

I, Del, wrote :
> And I don't see why the fact that Hermione understands Harry should 
> mean that she has feelings for him. Or inversely either : having 
> feelings for Harry wouldn't necessarily mean understanding him.
> Having feelings for someone and understanding them are two widely 
> different things, unfortunately too rarely connected.

Udderpd answered :
> Maybe the meaning you attribute to the word feelings is different to 
> mine.

Del replies :
When I used feelings in that paragraph, I meant fancy. In other words,
to make it clear :
I don't see why the fact that Hermione understands Harry should mean
that she fancies him. Or inversely either : fancying Harry wouldn't
necessarily mean understanding him. Fancying someone and understanding
them are two widely different things, unfortunately too rarely connected.

For example, my opinion right now is that Hermione understands Harry
but she doesn't fancy him. Inversely, Ron fancies Hermione but he
doesn't understand her.


Udderpd wrote 1st:
> > > I would be the last person to deny that Ron has feelings for or 
> > > fancied Hermione, but he must have she is one of his two best 
> > > friends and he doesn' know any other girls. The only other 
> > > females he interacts with socialy are his mother and sister and 
> > > his sister he is trying to turn into a female version of himself,
> > > by forbiding her to talk socialy with boys. 

I, Del, answered :
> > Harry's no better. He fell for a pretty face he didn't know, as he 
> > discovered when he found himself confronted to the prospect of a 
> > whole day in her sole company. Apart from Cho, the only girls he 
> > ever talks to are Hermione and Ginny. So according to your own 
> > reasoning, even if Harry discovered in himself feelings for either 
> > girl, that would be only because he doesn't know anyone else. Harry
> > is just as clueless about love and girls as Ron is.

Udderpd replied :
> Stop trying to change the subject to Harry it doesn't hold up 
> Hermione, Ginny, Luna and Cho (these are the only ones I can remember
> off the top of my head) are all potential girlfriends for Harry and 
> he has talked socialy to all of them. And I agree he still seems 
> clueless but his worry of Voldermort is kind of distracting and 
> inhibiting isn't it.

Del replies :
I am NOT changing the subject. We WERE discussing the potential
emotional relationships between the Trio. You pointed out that Ron's
limited interactions with girls pushed him to want the only female
friend he's got. I find it a perfectly valid and timely thing to do to
point out that Harry is almost exactly in the same situation and that
your reasoning could therefore be applied to him too, should he start
fancying Hermione.

Hermione, Ginny, Luna, Cho : they are the only ones you can remember
because they are indeed the only ones he's ever truly talked to.

Harry has talked socially to them ?
Hermione : yes. Ron too.
Ginny : yes. Ron too. Actually Ron's had his sister in his life
forever. If one boy should know more about girls than the other, it's
Ron. 
Luna : she doesn't count yet, because Harry has barely started really
*talking* to her by the end of OoP. Same for Ron.
Cho : I would barely dare calling it "talking", and I don't think
Harry learned much from her about girls, except that he really doesn't
understand some of them. 
As for Harry being inhibited because of LV, I don't really agree
either. Thoughts of LV never stopped him from dreaming of Cho.

Udderpd wrote 1st:
> > > It would be very easy to argue that his childishness after the 
> > > yule ball is him trying to treat Hermione the same way as he 
> > > treats Ginny and she's not having any of it. 

I, Del, replied :
> > I completely disagree. Ron treats Ginny as his little baby girl, 
> > and is affronted that anyone could think of pure innocent little 
> > virgin angel Ginny as a young *woman*. On the other hand, Ron 
> > didn't even want to admit that Hermione was a girl. The two 
> > situations couldn't be more different. 

Udderpd answered :
> Who are you trying to kidd? They are the same thing Ron doesn't know 
> any different. 

Del replies :
If anyone is trying to kid anyone here, it's you. Ginny is Ron's
little sister, Hermione is Ron's equal friend. Ginny is a little girl
to protect from the big bad wolf, Hermione is one of the guys who had
the treacherous idea of being born a girl. Nothing in common.

Udderpd wrote 1st:
> > > Let us not forget that Victor is Jealous of Harry not Ron 
> > > Hermione talked constantly of Harry when she was with Victor.

I, Del, replied with no less than 5 different explanations for
Viktor's jealousy. :

Udderpd answered :
> Occams razor the most lightly explanation is usually correct and I do
> not believe that you really believe any other than the first 
> explanation, it is the only one that makes any sense.

Del replies :
1. Stop kidding yourself and leave Occam's razor out of a lot of
explanations just as likely one as the other.
2. Don't you dare telling me what I believe. Especially when you
couldn't be more wrong : Hermione fancying Harry is in fact that
explanation I believe *least* of the 5 I gave you.
3. If you think that an explanation doesn't make sense, then you'd
better explain why, otherwise I'll just assume that you're voluntarily
refusing it. Because you see, not only are each of my explanations
sensible, but they actually happen in RL. Just look around you.

Udderpd wrote 1st :
> > > Ron needs to chat socialy with a lot more girls and then he might
> > > learn about himself and (as much as any mere male can) about 
> > > girls.

I, Del, replied :
> > Considering how clueless he was about Cho, I'd say Harry had better
> > do that too.

Uddrepd answered : 
> Agreed but at least Harry has had some Ron has had none. In my honest
> opinion Ron and Luna will make a fine couple.

Del replies :
Considering how big of a disaster the whole Cho/Harry story was, I
wouldn't call that "having had some" (some what ?). Don't you remember
that any time Cho and Harry tried to talk about anything else but
Quidditch and other safe subjects, they got into a mighty stall ?

Ron and Luna ? The way things are *now*, I don't think there could be
a more mismatched couple. They would never even manage to be on the
same "astral plane" so to speak. Not to mention that Ron wants very
much to be accepted, to be "popular" in some way, and Luna is exactly
the opposite of that.

Udderpd again

Hermione, Ginny, Luna and Cho are all acceptable dates for Harry and he has had meaningful conversations with all of them and I grant that the one with Cho was about Quidditch. 

Ron talks to Hermione. Maybe Cho would suit Ron she likes Quidditch Hermione certainly doesn't. and her nose is straight and she is pretty. Thats practically a full house for Ron. Can she cook?

TTFN Udder Pen Dragon



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