Death Eaters in DoM - The Baby Head?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 106445

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <submarimon15 at y...> wrote:

> Mike:
> 
> ...edited...
> "Go right" and "go left" to me just meant that there happened to be
> a door to the left and to the right of where the group was standing.
> However, I think it's safe to assume that other exits didn't have
> convienent directions such as left and right (other than Straight
> through there). "Go here" to me indicates the door may have been at
> a position such as "5 O'clock" rather than an easy place to 
> describe.

Asian_lovr2:

I certainly admit I am using a very healthy dose of interpretation and
assumption here. First, let's remember that the DE's are not in the
'round' room, they are in an extremely long rectangular room (Hall of
Prophecies) that presumably, relative to this discussion, has a
equally long row of doors along one side, the side from which
Harry/Hermione/Neville entered the 'Time Room'.

With the mental image of the DE's standing along one side of a long
rectangular room, 'go right' and 'go left' do imply some distance. 'Go
right', to me implies, some distance, 'to the right' implies less
distance, and 'on the right' implies even less distance.

'Go here' implies less distance than 'go there'; 'go there' implies go
away for 'here'. Avery is sent 'here' and Rookwood is sent 'there'.
Repeating myself, the implication is the Avery was send 'here'
(near-by) and Rookwood was sent away from 'here' to over 'there'.
Admitedly, in this case, even if I am right, the distance between
'here' and 'there' is not great. 

Visualizing the room, and looking at all the instructions as a whole,
the 'Left' and 'Right' DE's seem to be sent to the most distant
points; more distant than 'here', 'there', 'straight ahead', and 'with
me'. 


> 
> Steve again: 
> > So given the implied proximity, and that we know Jugson and 
> >Dolohov come into the room as the second pair of DE's, that leaves
> > us with Macnair and Avery as one pair, and Malfoy and Mulciber as
> > the other.
> 
> Mike:
> 
> I'm rather confused by this because there are only 2 pairs of DE's 
> that fight with Harry/Hermione/Neville. The first group is 
> completely un-named and one of them gets their head turned into a 
> baby's. The second group is Antonin Dolohov and Jugson (it's safe to 
> assume the second is Jugson). When you say "Macnair and Avery as one 
> pair with Malfoy and Mulciber as another" that's already two pairs, 
> where do Dolohov and Jugson fit in?
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Mike

Asian_lovr2:

Sorry, Mike, very poor wording on my part.

Using my method, we seem to have 3 pair of DEs whose proximity is
implied as being close, and so are likely candidates are -

- Jugson, Dolohov, ...straight ahead
- Macnair and Avery, through here
- Malfoy and Mulciber; 'Come with me' 

>From this group of possibilities, Jugson and Dolohov can be eliminated
 from the 'Baby-Head' list because Dolohov's were-abouts are accounted
for; he's the one who 'purple-slashed' Hermione.

So, as pairs who are likely, based on implied proximity, the
'Baby-Head' pair is likely to be (Macnair/Avery*) OR
(Malfoy/Mulciber*).  {*=Baby-head}

Note, that of all the proximity words, 'through here' implies the
closest location, and to me, re-enforces Macnair/Avery* are the first
two DE's into the room, and by extention makes Avery the 'baby-hed'.

As far as the muscular reference, I guess we need to temper that by
remembering that it is from the perspective of an admitedly skinny 15
year old boy combined with the disporportionate perspective of a
baby's head on any full grown man.

I'm not saying I'm right, just that I had a premise about implied
proximity that /could/ lead us to the answer or aid in the analysis.
Using that premise and my analysis/interpretation, I arrived at this
conclusion. A conclusion, that is similar to your own but for
different reasons.

I think my mistake was using 'AND' instead of 'OR', and not wording
things more clearly.

Overal, and upon re-analysing it for this post, I am even more
strongly convinced the 'Baby-head' DE is Avery.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2