[HPforGrownups] Re: Still wondering why Snape trusts DD! (was: James the Berk?)

[silmariel]

No: HPFGUIDX 106484

Jue 15 Jul 2004 23:44, Aggie  wrote:
> What SSSusan and Kneasy are querying is why Snape didn't turn the
> Marauders in and why, after DD didn't severely punish those
> responsible (that we know of), does Snape still ultimately side with
> DD.

Seems he can't ask easy questions. All I can infere is a partial explanation. 
The key here should be not losing that confidence *totally*, managing the 
matter from the start. 

A carefully planned but also honest catharsis might have worked. Let's see OoP 
ch 37 (847-868). Dumbledore won't let Harry go before 'explaining'. Right, 
the best moment for a forced, long talk, when the victim is still in shock.  
He shows the same pattern in every book, intended or not, he talks 
to/explains his version to Harry when he is in the hospital, when he has just 
lived the outcome of the book, when he is mentally weak and not going to ask 
incisive questions.

He is very convincing, and we are talking about what an adult can offer to a 
16. Well, to start he can be honest, admit whatever reponsability he holds 
and try to make a deal. 

As I think Dumbledore would present it, it's a question of second chances and 
desitions. If Snape chooses to talk, he'll ruin the life of the Marauders. He 
he does not, he still has the wild card in hand of knowing 3 are animagi and 
the last a wererewolf. If he does not, by the same rule of the second chance, 
if there is ever place to a second chance to you, you've got Dumbledore's 
word that he will do what's in his hands to give you that chance.

It depends on how much credibility had DD's word before the prank on Snape's 
eyes.

Yes, you might be as angry, but if I were a cunny and ambitious young 
Slytherin I might consider it. What do I gain? A favour for the future, 
protection from one of the most powerful wizards of the world, and an avid 
collection of fans... sorry, slipped here, and still holding the disgrace 
card if I change my mind. In that sense, DD is trusting you because you hold 
the knowledge and can use at any point.

Because we don't think DD obliviated Snape, do we? 

> It is assumed that Snape becme a DE and then rejoined DD just before
> Lv's defeat.  This is several years after The Prank.  Why did Snape
> rejoin? Who knows! But for DD to *believe his story*, to trust him,
> there has to be a story! Snape wouldn't have just said 'Gizza job!'
> and DD say 'OK'.  The story is the curious part! And what we're all
> after! I agree that Snape could trust DD because DD trusts Snape, but
> there has to be a reason for DD to trust Snape - doesn't there?

Of course, this can't be all but it is a start point. You might be angry, not 
look DD again and follow your plot (I won't enter there) to the DE's, but 
with that conversation in mind, you have an open bridge for your return to 
DD's side.

Then, Snape told his history and DD trusted him, no wonder he is loyal. I'm 
one of those who think the life-debt is merely an excuse. 

Why DD trusts him is another question, I only have DD's word that he trusts 
him and a bird that inspires fear in those whose heart is not pure and comes 
to your help if you are truly loyal to DD and express so - this phoenix 
inclusions are provided by a post I read long ago - hope I'm not 
missatributing - by Pippin.

Just a question, do you think occlumency is basic or advanced DE training or 
was acquired before joining the merry party?

Carolina