Life Debts to Harry

M.Clifford Aisbelmon at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 16 23:45:19 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 106600

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sp. sot." 
<griffin782002 at y...> wrote: 
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> udder_pen_dragon <udderpd at y...> wrote:
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> I was doing some digging and this thought struck me. 
> We know that Wormtail ows Harry a life debt from PoA 
> Does Ginny from the CoS 
> And do: Snape, Ron and Hermione From the Dementors in PoA. 
> 
> I did not include Sirius because he is dead, although JKR has said 
some funny things about Sirisus's death.
> 
> Just somthing to ponder.
> 
> 
> I am sorry for appearing to answer myself but I wanted to add:
> 
> If Dudley were the late developing magic user would he immediatly 
owe Harry a life debt?
> 
> TTFN Udder Pen Dragon
>  
> 
> Griffin782002 now:
> 
> Actually with the term Life Debt, I was thinking about people who 
are not close to Harry. Ron, Hermione and Ginny are quite close to 
each other and help at any time.I personally think that the people 
that are really debted to Harry are Snape, Peter and, if he is going 
to develop magical powers, Dudley. 
> 
> Griffin782002

Valky:
If this were so, Harry is accumulating quite a list of debtors isn't 
he.
I do, however, see an important distinction in the cases.
Peters life debt to Harry is not owed of Harry 'saving' Peters life 
but more of 'sparing' it.
Now before we clamber in droves to say "But Lupin and Sirius were 
the ones who spared him..." I add that they did so only, as we know, 
at Harry's behest rather than their own and it was in essence 
*Harrys* vengeance that they sought in killing Peter.
Hence the continued life of Peter is enormously owed to Harry, 
though Harry at no time was *obliged in his honour* to protect the 
Rat.

Which leads to the other cases which are entirely more honour driven 
than this one, and most likely we consider them possible life debts 
based on the assumption that they are equal to James rescue of Snape 
from the Shrieking Shack.
 
In order to make this connection we must first assume that James was 
on *his* honour obliged to protect Snape. Perhaps he was not, it 
seems liley given that the only actual canon life debt we have been 
told of is Peters and Peter was the one responsible for the murder 
of Harrys Family. So it *is* a logical step to consider that Snape 
may well have been guilty of a similar crime against James leaving 
James with no particular honour to serve in rescuing Snape from the 
werewolf; equal, therefore, to Harrys 'sparing' of Peter.
 
Best to you all
Valky
still on about James... I know... I know :D





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