Clarification On Terminology

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 107006

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at y...> wrote
>  about the words: "wizard" and "warlock". 
> 
> << ... The best we could come up with was that it was a cultural
> thing. Harry seems to know a warlock when the sees one, he speaks of
> seeing them in the Leaky Cauldron and Three Broomstick. In a room 
> full of wizard, he specifically mentions a select group of warlocks.
> So they are identifiable. 
>  
> The best I could come up with was that 'wizard' is a Western 
> European term for magical males, and 'warlock' is an Eastern 
> European term for the same thing. ....>>


> Rita:
>
> I don't think it works to say that 'warlocks' are Eastern European.
> Here are some of the citations:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> My theory of the meaning of 'warlock' is in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23355 : 
> "the term "warlock" is the wizarding folk's term for an elected
> representative, like "M.P." for the Brits."
> 
> My theory explains that the members of the Wizegamot are titled
> 'warlocks' so their chairman is 'Chief Warlock', why there are all 
> those Conventions and Confederations of Warlocks passing laws, and 
> why 'warlock' would be simultaneously a title to be proud of, and a
> type of people who get "rowdy" and "wild-looking".
>
> Rita

Asain_lovr2:

Sorry, but I don't think you have adequately explained how, in a room
full of wizards, Harry can single out and identify a small group of
Warlocks.

Are you implying that nine generations of Ernie Macmillan's family
have been elected government officials? That's not impossible, but
it's a slight stretch.

I think the two term, in essense, mean the same thing; wizards and
warlocks are socerers. The difference is that 'wizard' takes on an
English context, and 'Warlock' takes on a greater European context. So
perhaps in pointing out the 'wild-looking' 'Rowdy' wizards as
warlocks, he is, in a sense, pointing out foreign European wizards.

Also note that in Dumbledore's list of titles, his is a titled
'Socerer', 'Warlock', 'Wizard', and 'Supreme Mugwump'. Mugwump is
actually American Indian for 'chief'. 


-PoA-

" ...venerable-looking wizards arguing over the latest article in
Transfiguration Today; */wild-looking warlocks/*; raucous dwarfs; and
once, what looked suspiciously like a hag, who ordered a plate of raw
liver from behind a thick woollen balaclava."

"It was extremely crowded, noisy, warm, and smoky. A curvy sort
of woman with a pretty face was serving a bunch of */rowdy warlock/*
up at the bar."


-OotP-

"... a */grubby-looking warlock/* in the corner clanged like a bell
every time he moved and, with each clang, his head vibrated horribly
so that he had to seize himself by the ears to hold it steady."


Nor have you adequately explained why
Warlock/Elected-Goverment-Officials would be "Wild-looking", "Rowdy",
or "grubby-looking". 

Using your logic, one could just as easily argue, that 'Warlock'
indentifies men in uniform; army, navy, marines, police. That fits the
'wild-looking', 'rowdy', and 'grubby' image much better than members
of Parliment.

Dumbledores title of 'Chief Warlock' could just indicate that he is a
high ranking officer in the Judicial branch of the wizard's military.

One could argue that the books don't show any military, but they don't
actually show any police either, but we have the Department of Law
Enforcement which has several sub-departments, among which are the
Auror's Office and Mr. Weasley's department. Since the UK wizard world
is small, it seems reasonable that police and military are one and the
same.

I'm not saying I believe ANY of this, I'm just trying to come up with
logical explanation for that which is not explained.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2