Vampire (was Snape/vampire)

Wed Jul 21 18:58:05 UTC 2004

No: HPFGUIDX 107179

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Message 107116 

nadjjaa

> What are the characteristics of JKR's vampires, anyway?  Does 
>anyone know???  That would help to formulate my opinion!

"K":

Here are some references I have found in the books. It is possible 
there are others that I have missed. Now these references are only 
those that actually have the word *vampire* in them. There are also 
hints about vampires which I won't list at this time.

~*SORCERER'S STONE*~ 

CH 5 

I've g-got to p-pick up a new b-book on vampires, m-myself." He 
(Professor Quirrell) looked terrified at the very thought. 
pg 70

They say he (Professor Quirrell) met vampires in the Black Forest... 
pg 71

Vampires? Hags? Harry's head was swimming. 
pg 71 

His (Professor Quirrell) classroom smelled strongly of garlic, which 
everyone said was to ward off a vampire he'd met in Romania and was 
afraid would be coming back to get him one of these days.
pg 134

~*CHAMBER OF SECRETS*~
US Version

CH 4 

SECOND YEAR STUDENTS WILL REQUIRE: 
Voyages with Vampires by Gilderoy Lockhart 
pg 44

CH 6 

Harry and Ron sat down at the Gryffindor table next to Hermione, who 
had her copy of Voyages with Vampires propped open against a milk 
jug. 
pg 86

Hermione closed Voyages with Vampires and looked down at the top of
Ron's head. 
pg 88

Hermione sat down on a stone step and buried her nose in Voyages with
Vampires again. 
pg 96 

Ron whipped out his Spellotaped wand, but Hermione shut Voyages with
Vampires with a snap and whispered, "Look out!" 
pg 97 

~*PRISONER OF AZKABAN~* 
UK Version

CH 3 

Harry had never met a vampire, but he had seen pictures of them in 
his Defence Against the Dark Arts (DADA) classes, and Black, with 
his waxy white skin, looked just like one. 
pg 34

CH 10 

...examining a tray of blood-flavoured lollipops...'Urgh, no, Harry
won't want one of those, they're for vampires, I expect, ' Hermione 
was saying. 
pg 147

CH 14 

'Er - not now - I was going to go to the library and do that vampire 
essay for Lupin-' 
pg 204

'Harry, Ron, come with me, I need a word about my vampire essay. 
Excuse us, Severus.' 
pg 213

Ch 22 

'Wonder what they'll give us next year?' said Seamus Finnigan 
gloomily.

"Maybe a vampire,' suggested Dean Thomas hopefully. 
pg 313 

~*GOBLET OF FIRE*~
US Version

CH 9 

"but I'm a vampire hunter. I've killed about nine so far____'. 
pg 126 

CH 10 

"Last week she was saying we're wasting our time quibbling about
cauldron thickness, when we should be stamping out vampires! As if it
wasn't specifically stated in paragraph twelve of the Guidelines for
theTreatment of Non-Wizard Part-Human ---(Percy) 
pg 147

~*ORDER OF THE PHOENIX*~
US Version

CH 20 

"Ran inter a couple o' mad trolls on the Polish border, an' I had a
sligh' disagreement with a vampire in a pub in Minsk..." 
pg 426 

CH 31 

He was finding it very difficult to remember names and kept confusing
dates. He simply skipped question four: In your opinion, did wand
legislation contribute to, or lead to better control of, goblin 
riots of the eighteenth century? thinking that he would go back to 
it if he had time at the end. He had a stab at question five: How 
was the Statue of Secrecy breached in 1749 and what measures were 
introduced to prevent a recurrence? but had a nagging suspicion that 
he had missed several important points. He had a feeling vampires 
had come into the story somewhere... 
pg 725/us 

FB 

The centaurs objected to some of the creatures with whom they were 
asked
to share "being" status, such as hags and vampires... 
FB/xiii 

QTTA 

Translyvania has been mentioned. QTTA mentions a Quidditch team from
Translyvania and vampire bats. 

~~The final between Transylvania and Flanders has gone down in 
history as the most violent of all time and many of the fouls then 
recorded had never been seen before-for instance, the 
transfiguration of a Chaser into a polecat, the attempted 
decapitation of a Keeper with a broadsword, and the release, from 
under the robes of the Translyvanian Captain, of a hundred blood-
sucking vampire bats. pg 40~~ 

In short: 

SS 
There are books on vampires. pg 70 
Vampires are in the Black Forest. pg 71 
The kids believe garlic will ward off vampires. pg 134

COS
They are studied. pg 44
Hermione seems to enjoy reading about them. pgs 86,88,96,97

POA 
They are studied in the Dark Arts class. pg 34 
They have waxy, white skin. pg 34
Kids know there are vampires around. pg 319 

GOF 
There are vampire hunters and some believe it is a noble job. 
pgs 125-126
Some believe vampires should be stamped out. pg 147 

OOP 
A vampires was in a pub. pg 426 
A vampire was in Minsk. pg 426 
Vampires were on the O.W.L. test. pg 725 

FB 
Centaurs object to them. FB/xiii

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"K":

It is interesting that vampire related events actually did occur in 
1749.

~He had a stab at question five: How was the Statue of Secrecy 
breached in 1749 and what measures were introduced to prevent a 
recurrence? but had a nagging suspicion that he had missed several 
important points. He had a feeling vampires had come into the story 
somewhere... 
pg 725/us 

1. A Frenchman named Buffon published a "Natural History," 

2. Vampires of Hungary (extracted from "Treaty on the appearances of 
Spirits etc...") , of CALMET Dom Augustin - 17 (Some date this in 
1746) 

~*But which are the origins of the term "vampire"? And well, the term
"vampire" was used the first time by the poet Ossenfelder (Der 
Vampir), who was published in a German review.But the door was 
really opened by very an other person, namely the abbot 
bÃ©nÃ©dictain Don Augustin Calmet, Ã©xÃ©gÃ¨te biblical
very famous. 
This one opened the dance with its "Treaty on the appearances of the 
Spirits and the Vampires, or the Ghosts, of Hungary, of Moravie...". 
It was published in 1749 (and republished in 1986 per Jerome Millon, 
editor). In this work, Don Augustin Calmet takes very with serious 
the vampires. Note: Voltaire will quote in 1764: "All the members of 
the clergy are vampires".

~*The word?vampyr? appears since 1748 in a poem d?Ossenfelder: Der 
Vampyr ?, published in a German review. But c?est an abbot 
Benedictine, Dom Augustin where it seems to very take with the 
serious l?existence vampires. D?oÃ¹ shingling counterpart d?un 
Voltaire for which the vampires is primarily the members of the 
Clergy (? Dictionary Philosophical ?, article on l?absolution, 
article " Vampire " , 1764). 

~*However, Dom Augustine Calmet, a well respected  French theologian 
and scholar, put together a carefully thought out
treatise  in 1746 which said vampires did exist. This had 
considerable influence on  other scholars at the 
time.http://innocent.hothost.tv/id30.htm 

One of the few important authors who worked at the topic of vampirism
was the French Benedictine monk Dom Augustin Calmet (1672-1757). The
German version of his essay is titled "Verhandlung und Erläuterung 
der Materi, von Erscheinungen der Geisteren, und der so genannten 
Vampiren, oder zurückgekommene Verstorbenen in Ungarn, Moravia
etc." 
Calmet was working on the differentiation between Vampires and 
common ghosts and demons. Calmet was a very openminded person who 
asked himself whether vampires really are dead, how they manage to 
escape grave and which kind of energy their body needs. He came to 
the conclusion that in spite of his rather evil nature a vampire is 
a god-created being. He also said that being a pagan cannot be the 
reason for becoming a vampire since otherwise all Romans and Greeks 
who worshipped diverse gods would have become vampires. 
http://www.geocities.com/calliope_demarquis/history.html 

~*Between 1749 and 1756, Pope BenoÃ®t XIV exposes vampirism, then
retracts. 

The rationalism becomes stronger, the minds are less prone to
superstition. 
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"K":

I do believe vampires will play a role in the Potter books. Whether 
that vampire/half-vampire is Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape, Sirius 
Black, or some other I don't know.

I'd say a half-vampire will be the main one we will see. It fits in 
with the whole story.

~"Apparently she loathes part-humans. "So what are Umbridge's lessons
like? Sirius interrupted. "Is she training you all to kill half-
breeds? (Sirius) 
oop/ch 14/pg 302/us 

~The centaurs objected to some of the creatures with whom they were 
asked to share "being" status, such as hags and vampires... 
FB/xiii 

~JKR: From the beginning of Philosopher's Stone, prejudice is a very
strong  theme. It is plausible that Harry enters the world wide-
eyed: everything  will be wonderful and it's the sort of place where 
injustices don't  happen. Then he finds out that it does happen and 
it's a shock to him. He finds  out that he is a half-blood: to a 
wizard like Lucius Malfoy, he will never be  a true wizard, because 
his mother was of Muggle parentage. It's a very important theme. 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/fall00-
bbc-newsround.html 

"K"

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