When Harry met Sally (was: Re: Incomplete Prophecy)

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Thu Jul 22 11:41:59 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 107246

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "gelite67" <gelite67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Angie agrees:
> 
> snip>
> And while I'm at it, I'd love to know who it was that overheard the 
> prophecy and spilled it to Voldemort.  Dumbledore refers to the 
> person as "he" and states that because "he" only heard the first part 
> of the prophecy, "he" could not inform "his master" about 
> transferring Voldemort's powers.
> 

Now that's an interesting observation,  because so far as I can see
the Prophecy does not say anything about a transfer of powers, yet
DD seems to take it for granted that 'marking' equals 'power transfer':
"...he could not warn his master that to attack you would be to risk
transferring power to you, and marking you as his equal."

So maybe the scar isn't so much an injury incurred by deflecting a 
curse but is instead a manifestation, a label, indicating a transfer
of power. This ties in with an exchange way back  at the  beginning
of PS/SS:
"Is  that where -?" whispered Professor McGonagall.
"Yes," said Dumbledore."He'll have that scar for ever."
"Couldn't you do something about it, Dumbledore?"
"Even if I could, I wouldn't. Scars can come in useful...."

We've taken it for granted that whenever Voldy starts acting up, so
does the scar; it itches, it hurts. A useful early warning device for
Harry - "Time to watch your step, son; he's up to something." It's
obviously sensitive to, directly linked to, Voldy's mind. The obvious
interpretation is that the scar is a sort of vaccination mark; that
it has some sort of protective function. I don't think so. It's not really
part of Harry at all; it's a transplanted bit of Voldy. Adds a new 
dimension to the phrase "I gave him a piece of my mind." 

Somewhere in Harry is essence of Voldy, but as DD observes in OoP
"in essence divided" - the two factions, Harry and Voldy, have not 
combined - yet. Bits have leaked over - Parseltongue being one. 
It might also add piquancy to the Sorting Hat's comments:
..."you could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and
Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no  doubt about
that..."

Now this is a bit far out, and you probably won't  agree, but there's
a possibility that when the Sorting Hat refers to Slytherin it's
not on about Slytherin House, but Salazar Slytherin.
You  can stop laughing now.

It  goes back to the Possession posts I wrote in February - that Voldy
is a combination of TR  and an SS entity that leeched onto him in
the Chamber; an entity that changed him from an obnoxious little
snot full of petty vindictiveness into a full-blown public health hazard.
Now being sorted into Slytherin might influence Harry's attitudes, but
I can't see that it would necessarily help him to become great. He might
turn out to be another TR - bitter, petty, selfish - but great? Greatness
would need power - lots of it, and if Harry had that much power *of his
own* he could be great anywhere, not just in Slytherin House.

But old Sally - that's a different matter. He was one of the greatest
wizards in history. Accepting his guidance, becoming in effect his avatar,
would result in power doubleplus ungood. Harry really would be Voldy's 
equal - quite literally. And this links back to the Prophecy  again which 
says that "..he will mark him as his equal..." not, you will note, not his 
*opposite*, which is what many posters automatically assume is the 
meaning.

*If* Voldy is TR + SS and *if* transfer occurred at Godric's Hollow, then
part of the Voldy essence in Harry is Salazar Slytherin - QED. And  that's
what the Sorting Hat can see inside Harry's head; that's the source of the
power that would help him to greatness, the terrible but great things
that Ollivander was so impressed by.

What we have here is the second recorded case of magically induced 
schizophrenia (the first being TR). I foresee an internal struggle which
will decide which faction becomes dominant. Harry has powers transferred
from Voldy: he'd be wise not to use them. Get into that habit and who
knows where it'll all end. 

It'll probably boil down to one of DD's choices eventually.

Kneasy







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