Doesn't Voldemort know about Snape's loyalty?

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Angie wondered:
> <snip> Voldemort wouldn't have to know anything about the Order to
> know that Snape was trying to prevent Quirrell from getting the 
> Stone, which would mean he was working  against Voldemort.  
 
Potioncat responded:
> But LV did not reveal himself to anyone.  Quirrell hadn't been a 
> DE, he had been "recruited" more recently.  If Snape suspected 
> something, he most likely made it appear that he wanted the stone 
> for himself. I doubt that between Snape and Quirrell the LV-DD 
> situation even came up.
 
SSSusan added:
> Yes, I think Potioncat is right.  Whatever Snape knew or suspected, 
> really, he could have just been attempting to stop some evil 
> *individual* wizard who wanted to attain immortal life.  Since 
> Voldy hadn't been seen or heard from for 12 years, Snape could 
> **easily** plead "How could I have known??" if he'd been confronted 
> by Voldy later.  

Carol responds:
> First, I think Snape did know that he was opposing Voldemort. True, 
> he couldn't have known that Voldemort was inside Quirrell's head, 
> but he may have suspected that Quirrell was somehow connected with 
> Voldemort (a tingling in the Dark Mark when he was near him?) He 
> wouldn't have been stupid enough to voice his suspicions openly, 
> but I think that he did have them. 
> 
> Given Snape's gift for occlumency (and basic Slytherin deception?),
> it's possible that SSS is right about his ability to convince LV 
> (via Malfoy?) that he was opposing Quirrell as "an individual evil
> wizard"--IOW opposing Quirrell but not opposing Voldemort. But I 
> don't think that's the case. IMO, Snape's remark to Quirrell 
> about "where your loyalties lie" told Quirrell (and therefore 
> Voldemort) that Snape's loyalty lay with Dumbledore--and therefore 
> with Dumbledore's most feared enemy, if not in direct opposition to 
> Voldemort himself. That would undermine his assertion that he was 
> opposing Quirrell *as* Quirrell.


SSSusan:
That *could* be, yes.  Or it could be that "where your loyalties lie" 
refers in more general terms to "goodness" or "badness."  Or it could 
be that it referred more generally to supporting DD, since it was DD 
who brought the stone there to prevent its being used.  (Does that 
make sense?  That if DD wanted the stone left alone and Q. wasn't 
abiding by that, then Snape could be pointing out that Q. isn't being 
loyal to DD--no matter WHAT his intentions for the stone were.) 


Carol:
> And Voldemort isn't known for making generous assumptions,
> such as, "If you're not directly opposing me, you must be on my 
> side." So I agree with Angie that the Quirrell incident at least 
> aroused LV's suspicions about Snape. That, combined with Snape's 
> absence from the graveyard in GoF, would be enough to make 
> Voldemort believe *at that time* that Snape had left him forever. 

SSSusan:
I can see that these two indicents might have aroused Voldy's 
suspicions, yes, although I think each can be explained in ways that 
might have satisfied Voldy.  As you noted, *at the time* in the 
graveyard, though, it may well be that Voldy wondered....

Siriusly Snapey Susan