Riddle AND Voldemort in the Chamber (was RE: [HPforGrownups] Half Blood Prin

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 107628

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, David Gabbard
<davidagabbard at y...> wrote:
> 
>       Brenda wrote:
> 
> "There is a passage in COS where Dobby tells Harry he was giving 
> him a clue about Tom Riddle, not Voldemort, because he had not 
> changed his name yet at that point. This clearly defines that in 
> JKR's world Tom and Voldemort are not considered one and the same. 
> ...edited...


> Now David Comments and then Asks:
> 
> I've heard the "Dobby thinks they're different so JKR must think
they're different" statement as evidence to the theory that JKR
considers T. Riddle and Lord Voldemort to be separate - and I can
understand why. 
> 
> What I don't understand is: 
> 
> ...edited quote...
> 
> If Riddle and Voldemort are not one and the same, then when did
Voldemort appear for Harry to be able to hear his laughter? or Why
does JKR call the spirit from the diary by both names?


Asian_lovr2:

Dobby's 'clue' about Riddle not being Voldemort (short version)
doesn't create an absolute, but it does set a precedent.

This arguement stems from JKR saying that the Half Blood Prince is not
Harry or Voldemort. That brings up the question, does that absolutely
eliminate Tom Riddle? 

Tom and Voldy are different, in the same way that no 70 year old man
is the same person he was at 16. They are also different in that
Voldemort has is new semi-immortal Snake body, where as Tom Riddle was
a tall handsome man. Also, until he killed his parents, Tom may have
been redeemable, he may have been salvagable. And Voldemort, as I'm
sure we all agree, is beyond slavation.

But from a different perspective, they are indeed that same person, in
the sense that a 16 year old boy grows to be a 70 year old man. They
are different, yet one and the same; different does not mean totally
disconnected.

So the question is not an absolute but a matter of perspective, and
the extention of that question is whether or not JKR has made a
distinction between Voldemort and Riddle when she says the Half Blood
Prince is not Harry or Voldy?

While we can not read her mind and say with absolute certainty, we can
point to precedents that support that theory.

Just a thought.

Steve/Asian_lovr2