Original Order, Imperius and Inheritence and traits

[Amey Chinchorkar]

No: HPFGUIDX 108093

-	Potioncat
-	My point is really that we know "some" of the Order members from
-	before and "some" of the Order members now.  But we do not know if
-	either McGonagall (member now) or Flickwick were in the Order
-	earlier.  And their not being in it would only mean they weren't in
-	it. Snape worked with DD against LV, but he wouldn't  be considered
-	a member of the Order at that time. He is now.
-	Does that make sense?

Amey:

'We've managed to convince a couple of people, though,' said Mr Weasley. Tonks here, for one - <snip>- Kingsley Shacklebolt's been a real asset, too; '

And 

'You weren't in the Order then, you don't understand. Last time we were outnumbered twenty to one by the Death Eaters and they were picking us off one by one
' (OOtP)

So, if either of the teachers were were recent additions, it would have been mentioned (I think). Weaslys were not a part of the Order back then, but they are now, we get a proper canon for that. Also, about Snape, he was a spy, he couldn’t be a (official) member then. As for Flitwick and McGonall, I think they were members but chose to remain in school for students (like they do in OOtP)

-	Pippin
-	Supposing you *can* put Imperius on an invisible person,
-	(remember eye contact is important ), you wouldn't know it had
-	taken. "...watch his eyes, that's where you see it-" GoF ch14.

Amey:
We don’t have any canon saying eye contact is necessary for Imperius, the quote you mention is Moody telling the class to look at the determination (?) in Harry’s eyes when he is fighting the curse. And if eye contact was important, how would Crouch Jr put Imperius on Krum in the Maze and make him put Crucio on Cedric?

-	Naama
-	That's not to say that people don't inherit various traits from their
-	parents. However, as far as I can tell, what is inherited are  
-	abilities, not moral tendencies (which is why I tend to believe that
-	Parseltongue is not evil in itself).

Amey: 
Thanks to you and Kneasy too for making my point more clear (in fact clearer than I could make). Yes, this was exactly my point. Of course, people inherit some traits, and they develop some. Also some people have inborn abilities (like magic in all children going to Hogwarts), some get some abilities after working hard for them. What we make of these traits and abilities is what counts, more than actually having them. 
Harry uses parseltongue to save others from snake in dueling club, Voldemort uses it to use basilisk to attack others, and control nagini and use her for his purposes. (Slytherin had that *gift*, so I think he was born with it, *maybe* Harry wasn’t).
Harry uses his bravery and resourcefulness to get to the stone in order to save it, go to Chamber to save Ginny
 in all to save people other than him. Voldemort uses his cleverness and resourcefulness to control people and get them do his work and gain power from that. 
Harry also uses his determination to fight for justice. His disregard for rules is basically because he cares for others more than himself. (And he shares many of these traits with his father, though he is somewhat more mature).
These are qualities Slytherin prized in his *hand-picked* students, still Harry is in Gryffindor. Because there is a line between Slytherin and Gryffindor. * We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. - Phineas Nigellus* That is the difference between consciously choosing to work selfishly and selflessly, to work for one particular man as opposed to for justice and mankind . It is the difference between cherishing an ideology which makes a man inferior because of his birth and an ideology which keeps his abilities above his bloodline. That is why Dumbledore is called Champion of Mudbloods by some, and The Most Powerful Wizard by some. 

Amey, who thinks he has succeeded in confusing people even more



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