Neville and the Prophecy - VERY LONG

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 108199

DuffyPoo:
>>> Born to those who have thrice defied him....DD says both the 
Potters and the Longbottoms have done so, by saying that both Harry 
and Neville fit the mold.  Born as the seventh month dies....HP 
July 31, 1980; NL July 30, 1980.
 
What I am saying is, none of the rest of the prophecy has yet been 
fulfilled, even though DD, the WW, LV himself, and the Keeper of the 
Prophecies believes it has been.  What happened after LV went to the 
Potters is only circumstantial evidence because he never got to the 
Longbottoms.  If it had happened the other way round, and LV went to 
the Longbottoms first and killed baby Neville, we wouldn't be having 
this discussion.  The problem exists, for me, because both kids who 
could have fulfilled the prophecy are still living.
 
LV only knows the first part of the prophecy, remember, 'the one with 
the power to vanquish the DL approaches, born to those who have 
thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies.'  He was going to 
kill all the kids born at the end of July to parents who had thrice 
defied him.   That means HP and NL.  He went to the Potters first 
because, thanks to Wormtail, he knew where they were hiding.  He 
tried to kill HP, Lily's sacrifice (not any power HP had) saved baby 
Harry and the curse rebounded onto LV.  LV now, what's left of him, 
*mistakenly* believes that HP is the one in the prophecy, because LV 
was unable to kill him.  LV himself, later, said he had forgotten the 
power of the sacrifice Lily had made.  There was nothing special 
about HP, there was something very special about Lily's sacrifice 
(whether or not it was simply her sacrificing herself for Harry or 
she had cast a counter spell.  It is still Lily that protected HP, 
not anything about HP himself that saved him).  The *mark* - the 
scar - is circumstantial...it was caused by the rebounding of the AK 
off Lily's protective sacrifice.  The AK was just as strong bouncing 
back.  LV himself says it should have killed him, would have killed 
him if he hadn't made advances into  immortality.  The sacrifice that 
prevented LV/Quirrell touching HP is gone since LV used HP's blood in 
his rebirthing potion.  HP is still protected by the charm DD placed 
on him/Petunia so that as long as HP can call the Dursley 
residence 'home' he will be protected by that Lily-Petunia-HP blood 
thing...the place where HP's mother's blood resides.  (Since, in my 
theory here, HP is not the one anyway, this really changes nothing 
except now, if HP leaves Hogwarts or the Dursley residence, LV can 
kill him because Lily's protection, which saved him before, is now 
gone.  LV can kill anyone else he wants to, as well.)
 
Because of what happened between LV and the Potters, DD and the WW 
*mistakenly* believe there is something special about HP.  DD 
believes *mistakenly* that HP is the one the prophecy refers to.  The 
Keeper of the Prophecy changes the card from "Dark Lord & (?)" 
to "Dark Lord & Harry Potter" because of the circumstantial evidence 
and the fact that old LV appears to have vanished.  The reason HP can 
take the prophecy orb down is that the prophecy *now refers to him*.
 
DD, we know now, has been watching HP like a hawk.  DD let him go 
after the Philosopher's Stone & face LV, go into the CoS & deal with 
TR/Basilisk, meet, get to know,  rescue and stay in contact with his 
Godfather, let HP take part in the Triwizard Tournament although DD 
had to have known the Goblet was tricked, let the events of OotP 
happen because.....DD mistakenly believes HP is "THE ONE."  He jumped 
to the wrong conclusion.  DD let him do all those things because he 
mistakenly believes HP is the one and HP needed these experiences for 
the final, yet to come, confrontation with LV.
 
The simple fact is Neville has never been tested against LV.  He may 
have powers none of us, including Neville, know anything about.  He 
*appears* an unlikely candidate for the job, but we know very little 
about him.  

SSSusan:
This is a fascinating and nicely-summarized take on things, and I 
thoroughly enjoyed reading it.  I don't happen to agree with all of 
it, but it's fascinating nonetheless. :-)

I would point out only one objection.  You have said: "The simple 
fact is Neville has never been tested against LV.  He may have powers 
none of us, including Neville, know anything about."  This is clearly 
a true statement. BECAUSE I agree with it, I feel the need to ask you 
about this statement:  "There was nothing special about HP, there was 
something very special about Lily's sacrifice (whether or not it was 
simply her sacrificing herself for Harry or she had cast a counter 
spell.  It is still Lily that protected HP, not anything about HP 
himself that saved him)."  

It seems to me that this a BIG leap to make.  Just as we don't KNOW 
whether Neville has powers we haven't seen, how can you argue that 
there *is* nothing special about Harry?  Surely Lily's sacrifice 
saved him--DD has said as much--but how do we know that, still, there 
is nothing special about Harry?  Or that it was a combination of 
Lily's sacrifice and "something about Harry"?  My own pet theory is 
that Harry is quite special, indeed.  He needed his mother's 
protection as an infant; he's not invincible now.  Still, I think he 
is quite special and has powers other wizards his age [perhaps other 
wizards, period] do not possess, and I don't buy that *all* his 
powers were transferred to him by Voldy.

It seems to me that while I can't prove my last statement is true, 
neither can you prove your statement that there is/was nothing 
special about Harry.

Siriusly Snapey Susan