Harry's dream about the Turban (was Re: Re: Neville and the Prophecy - VERY LONG)

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 108272

Marita said:
"What's interesting to me is that, in SS, Voldy didn't try to KILL Harry
until he refused to join him...."

DuffyPoo:
Funny, I never read this as Harry refusing to join LV but that he would "Never" give him the stone.  "Now give me the Stone, unless you want her to have died in vain." "NEVER!"   LV's next words were "SEIZE HIM!"  then when Quirrellmort said "Master, I cannot hold him -- my hands -- my hands!" LV said then kill him fool and be done.  LV wanted the stone, most of all at this moment.  Intimidation wasn't working, Quirrell was whining, "KILL HIM!" and then we can get the stone you idiot!  Well that's what I thought, anyway.

Marita said:
"The first night in the Gryff tower, Harry dreams that Quirrell's turban is
trying to get him to transfer to Slytherin.  Voldy tells him personally,
from the back of Q's head, that there's no need for Harry to die like his
mother...wish I had the book here to find the quote.
So what does that say regarding what Voldy knew about the prophecy? "


DuffyPoo:

I think you're confusing two things here (easy enough to do - that's why I live with two sets of the books so one is always at hand).  LV as Quirrellmort told Hary "I killed your father first and he put up a courageous fight ... but your mother needn't have died ... she was trying to protect you ..."  I don't see that this has anything to do with the prophecy.  He was only telling Harry what had happened that night.  In PoA Harry hears LV's voice, when the Dementors come near him, telling Lily to stand aside.  He wasn't trying to kill her after all, he was trying to kill the baby.  As far as we know, LV only killed James in an attempt to get to Harry, the same as he had to kill Lily in the end because she wouldn't 'stand aside.'  The only part of the prophecy LV knows, according to DD, is "the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches, born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies."

"Perhaps Harry had eaten a bit too much because he had a very strange dream.  He was wearing Professor Quirrell's turban, which kept talking to him, telling him he must transfer to Slytherin at once, because it was his destiny.  Harry told the tuban he didn't want to be in Slytherin; it got heavier and heavier; he tried to pull it off but it tightened painfully -- and there was Malfoy, laughing at him as he struggle with it -- then Malfoy turned into the hook-nosed teacher, Snape, whose laugh became high and cold -- there was a burst of green light and Harry woke, sweating and shaking."

This mostly sounds like a 'normal' dream to me. It was a very emotional day for HP, all of these things tied into this day.  Quirrell and Snape talking at the head table just as HP gets that first shooting pain in his scar, which he connected with Snape; Malfoy telling him he could introduce him to the right sort of people, as though HP couldn't make that decison for himself.  Harry didn't like Malfoy from the get go in Diagon Alley, thought he was like Dudley; Snape, who HP believed caused the pain in his scar when they made eye contact.  I think the rest of his dream is HP's normal nightmare of the events of Goderic's Hollow.

When I was making up my own HP Lexicon (before I found the online one) I was dreaming about HP every night.  Oh, and sometimes HP mixed with Coronation Street if there had been a particularly good episode on that day!  I remember one particular one where almost all the cast from Coronation Street was in an office, along with myself, but it was most certainly the Ministry of Magic office and were were trying to make some sort of decision! ;)   


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