Harry's dream about the Turban (was Re: Re: Neville and the Prophecy - VERY LONG)

snow15145 snow15145 at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 31 22:36:32 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 108321

Kneasy snipped:

How many clues do you need? Harry and Slytherin are key to the whole
series. And it probably isn't just Slytherin House we're talking about
here, but the concept of Salazar Slytherin as the embodiment of evil.
Just a few days ago I posted an observation that maybe Harry wasn't
all that powerful a wizard, and others have wondered the same. Why
should Harry need to join Slytherin to be great? If he's that powerful
he could be great in any House, right? Well, maybe the powers that he
has are not entirely his own - that a significant proportion, maybe 
most,
were transferred to him at Godric's Hollow and the Slytherin that 
could
make him great is not just Slytherin House but Salazar himself.
(Yep. It's that Possession theory again.)

Snow (warning very long winded):
This first half can actually belong under another thread entitled: 
Harry's discovery in COS, But by association also belongs here.

I would like to add a few comments in an attempt to support your 
idea,Kneasy, along with the connection to the upcoming book, HBP. I 
believe this is what Harry discovers in Chamber but mention of it 
(the discovery) is also in the other books.

JKR website FAQ section:
In what way is 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' related 
to 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets'?

"The plot of 'Prince' bears no resemblance whatsoever to the plot 
of 'Chamber', nor is it an off-cut of 'Chamber'. The story 
of 'Prince' takes off where 'Phoenix' ended and does not hark back to 
four years previously. True, mention is made to events that happened 
in 'Chamber,' but of course, mention is also made of events that 
happened in 'Stone', 'Azkaban', 'Goblet' and 'Phoenix'."

This statement "true mention is made to events that happened in 
Chamber" could be the fact that Harry finds out that Voldemort has 
put a bit of himself in Harry. 
COS "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me? Harry said, thunderstruck. 
"It certainly seems so"

Harry could defiantly consider this a discovery. This is an 
actual "true" mention that Harry is hosting part of Voldemort (who 
may have been possessed by Salazar Slytherin, scroll down to Part 2 
for details).  The second part of JKR's statement, "mention is also 
made of events that happened in 'Stone', 'Azkaban', 'Goblet' 
and 'Phoenix'", these books also have related issues of the 
Harry/VoldyTom connection factor. 
 
There is suggestiveness (or as Kneasy and JKR put it foreshadowing) 
in each of the books with the greatest connection in COS of Harry's 
inner connection with Voldy/Tom. The following are just a few 
examples of the suggestive mention of the connection:





Book One (mention)
(1)	The scar connection
(2)	The sorting hat wanting to place Harry in Slytherin
(3)	The Professor Quirrell dream

Book Two (true mention) 
(1)	The scar connection again
(2)	Harry speaking parceltongue
(3)	Harry questioning his likeness to Riddle
(4)	Riddle stating to Harry the likenesses between them
(5)	Harry asking and receiving the answer of; is a bit of 
Voldemort in him
(6)	Harry thinking that Tom Riddle's name is familiar 

Book Three (mention)
(1)	This one can be argumentative
what if Trelawney's predictions 
are about the side of Harry that belongs to Voldy/Tom...could be
(2)	Harry feeling a boiling hate erupting from his chest wanted 
to attack and kill Sirius in the Shrieking Shack

Book Four (mention)
(1)	Severe pain in scar when directly touched by Voldemort
(2)	Trelawney again "My inner eye sees past your brave face to 
the troubled soul within." GOF chap. Mad-Eye Moody pg. 199
(3)	Harry's hateful behavior towards Ron supported by a voice 
from within
(4)	Harry's overall behavior has become darker since Wormtail's 
help in bringing Voldemort back to a somewhat solid state

Book Five (mention) 
(1)	Big time scar connection 
(2)	Harry's overall behavior that became darker in GOF is much 
more pronounced since Voldemort's bodily return
(3)	Harry hearing a voice in his head telling or asking him things
(4)	Moody suggesting there's something wrong with that Potter boy
(5)	Dumbledore's statement "in essence divided"
 

This shows the progression of the discovery Harry made in COS which 
is to be consummated by reality for him in Half Blood Prince.  

JKR:
"
Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that 
foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'."

Part "2"
As to the significance of the Slytherin possession aspect of this 
connection, my insight is that Tom Riddle before he became Voldemort 
had less magical tendencies than Harry. They are both considered half-
bloods but in all actuality Harry has the stronger magical blood. 

Harry's mother is a witch
Harry's father is a wizard
Tom's mother is a witch
Tom's father however is a muggle

Tom is therefore half (blood wise) of what Harry is at their births. 
Tom's relationship to Slytherin is from his mother and Tom is made up 
of only half of her. Tom is magical but to what degree of magical 
ability was he actually born with? Dumbledore states about Tom in 
COS  "Of course, he was probably the most brilliant student Hogwarts 
has ever seen."  Brilliance doesn't necessarily mean in regards to 
his magical ability being brilliant. Hermione who also, like Tom, 
having direct muggle parentage, is book learned brilliant. Yes, 
Hermione has magical ability, which she enhances greatly through her 
self-taught knowledge. I believe Tom Riddle entered Hogwarts in much 
the same manner (remember he lived in a muggle orphanage) as Hermione 
did. Tom was self-educated through books in which he found 
information about the Chamber. Tom's dark behavior is not mentioned 
until after he found the Chamber, where in he found an unexpected 
discovery, Salazar Slytherin. Tom was educated well by his ancestor 
and with Salazar's "help" continued his noble work. Tom was not born 
a great wizard; he was made into a greatly feared wizard by Salazar's 
presence. 






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