Clues to 6&7 in POA film

gregory_lynn gregory_lynn at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 5 05:42:29 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 100062

I hope discussing the potential clues in the POA film is analogous to 
discussing potential clues in interviews and the like because I'm 
about to do it and I don't like being smacked upside the head.

Needless to say there are spoilers if you haven't seen the film yet.

JKR said that there were a couple things that people are going to 
think were put in there on purpose as clues to six and seven.  That 
would seem to indicate tht they are departures from the book because 
otherwise why would anyone think they were put in there at all?

So what do we have in the film that is different from the book that 
seems significant?

I don't know how significant it seems, but they had Pavarti Patil 
face the Boggart and turn into a snake.  Could it be a Slytherin 
snake or some residual fear of the Basilisk?

The thing that is probably going to jump out at most people is the 
conversation between Lupin and Harry on the bridge about which there 
has already been some discussion.  I think the key element there is 
not so much that Lupin liked Lily, though I believe that they would 
have been friends even if she hadn't married his best friend.  I 
think the interesting thing is the bit about her recognizing the 
beauty in someone even when the someone didn't recognize it 
themselves.  The scene goes from that sentence to Harry inheriting a 
talent for troublemaking, to Lupin saying that Harry is more like his 
parents than he knows, and he'll find that out soon.

It seems to me that Lupin believes that Harry shares Lily's ability 
to see the beauty in people/things even when they don't themselves.  
I take beauty to be a somewhat vague expression of overall worth and 
I am reminded of two incidents in particular.  When Harry and Dobby 
first meet, Harry is a tad confused and in a bit of a prickly 
situation, but he's polite to Dobby asking him to sit down.  Also, I 
am reminded of the bit back in book 1 where Neville hops in after 
being petrified (frozen, not scared).  Harry tosses Neville his last 
chocolate frog and says that Neville is worth 12 of Malfoy.

Applying that to potential future events, I can see where Harry might 
make a crucial decision to accept someone (a Slytherin or perhaps 
Snape) whose overtures would otherwise be rejected.

Other than that particular scene, I think Lily is more prominent in 
this film than in the novels.  I note that the Lupin/Harry scene on 
the bridge is a discussion of Lily where in the novel it's more a 
discussion of James.  Of course, I am equating the film scene to the 
novel scene where Harry describes hearing his father's voice for the 
first time, and that may just be wrong of me.  

As for what this could indicate if it is a clue, it would have to 
mean that Lily is pretty important which is something I think we 
already knew so I don't think there's much there.

Peter Pettigrew on the Marauders Map.  I was a bit irked by this 
quite frankly, but I'm not sure how it could be a clue to something 
in the later books.

Draco and the gang hanging around trying to get a look at the 
execution of Buckbeak.  Now this is something that I think has 
potential.  He wants to see something get killed and it's only a 
short step from there to wanting to see someone get killed, and it's 
only a short step from there to killing someone.

There were a lot of standing stones around, and in particular right 
out the castle door on the way to Hagrid's, there's a roughly 
circular Stonehengish grouping of standing stones.  What this might 
be a clue about is anyone's guess.





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