Clues to 6&7 in POA film

dorapye helenhorsley at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 7 09:45:50 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 100248

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Meredith" <msmerymac at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> > Sherry wrote:
> > 
> > I was thinking about this yesterday. Whenever Harry used the map 
in
> > the book, it was to go to Hogsmeade. at those times, Ron was 
> already
> > in Hogsmeade, wasn't he? So Harry wouldn't have seen Peter's name
> > because Peter was with Ron. after Peter faked his death by
> > Crookshanks, we don't know where he was, except that he ended up 
> in a
> > bottle in Hagrid's hut on the fateful day. I think he must have 
> been
> > off the grounds in some way every time Harry looked at the map,
> > otherwise, Harry would have seen his name. Unless Harry just 
wasn't
> > looking in the right place, being focused on who might catch him
> > sneaking out, not on who might be wandering on the grounds. If 
that
> > makes any sense.
> > 
> 
> Luckie:
> 
> But why didn't the twins ever notice Pettigrew when they had the 
> map? Ron was in his third year in PoA, they had had the map since 
> their first year, so they had 2 full years in which to stumble on 
> Pettigrew's name. The only thing I can think of is that 1) they 
> didn't know who Pettigrew was (Although I think they did - can 
> anyone find them mentioning Sirius's supposed crimes in canon?) or 
> that, like Harry, they were simply looking at the part of the map 
> they needed to escape at that particular moment - which wouldn't 
> have been gryffindor tower, where Peter was.
> 
> ~Luckie

dorapye:
I was skimming through PoA to find canon regarding the map and PP.  
Harry only actually use the map once before PP fakes his death again 
and disappears (to Hagrid's Hut, more later..) At this point, he 
uses the map to observe the corridors around the one-eyed old crone 
and then disappears down the tunnel; Ron is already in Hogsmeade, 
but even if we assume that he did not take PP with him (would PP 
*want* to leave the safe school grounds, if he's scared that sirius 
is after him?  I think Scabbers would have protested evry strongly 
if Ron had tried to take him to Hogsmeade)then Harry would not have 
even cast his eye over the Gryffindor common room or dorms, so would 
not have identified PP on the map.

However, Lupin says somethign very interesting in the Shrieking 
Shack when explaining how he saw Peter:
"...'I wastched you (the trio) cross the grounds and enter Hagrid's 
hut.  Twenty minutes later, you left Hagrid and set off back towards 
the castle.  But you were now accompanied by someone else."

Now, we know how Scabbers was discovered in Hagrid's hut, and I 
think it is safe to assume that he had been hiding in the milk jug 
in Hagrid's hut since before the trio arrived that evening.   So 
why, if Lupin was looking at the map and observed the trio going 
into the hut, did he not spot PP til they *left*?

The answer would be that Hagrid's hut is a blind spot on the map.  
It could be, as some have speculated, outside the Hogwarts grounds, 
or it could be that when Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs 
were designing their map, they left Hagrid's hut a blind spot, as 
they were not likely to need info on who was moving around in there 
for their marauding adventures; they only needed the corridors and 
rooms of the castle, some of the grounds and the tunnels to show 
mischief-inhibiting foes.  

Hagrid, well we know if he catches the trio out after curfew, the 
most they get is a stern shouting at from him, he certainly doesn't 
dob them into to their head of House.  I'm willing to bet, with his 
fondness for James and co, he took a similar attitude with MWPP.  
Hagrid's hut was never a threat to the Marauders, so they didn't 
bother to cover it on their map; you could see who went in and who 
came out, but the hut was a blind spot.

Of course, Peter would know this, which explains why he turned up 
there.  He'd have known that Harry had the map, could've guessed 
that with Lupin around now, the map may find itself in the hands of 
teaching staff who might actually be able to work it and would see 
him.  A very good reason to fake his death and hole himself up in 
one of the few safe places within Hogwarts grounds where he would 
not have been identified by the map.  And that's with Buckbeak 
chained up there and being fed on rats - which just go to show how 
desperate Peter must have been to evade his old friends.

Does this sound plausible?
dorapye





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