Harry at GH & Kloves on Lupin's feelings towards Lily

[Arya]

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"vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> vmonte responds: (Requoting material from some of my other posts.)
> 
> More time travel thoughts...
> 
> I am repeating the PoA patronus scene with Lupin and Harry below to
> comment on my previous thoughts regarding whether Harry's father was
> at Godric's Hollow the night of Voldemort's attack.
> 
> PoA, U.S. paperback version, p 240-241:
> "I heard my dad," Harry mumbled. "That's the first time I've ever
> heard him -- he tried to take on Voldemort himself, to give my mum
> time to run for it..." (This is the first time Harry has heard his
> father's voice--so he automatically assumes the voice is him.)
> 
> "You heard James?" said Lupin in a strange voice.
> 
> Harry then asks Lupin if he knew his father at school.
> 
> "I -- I did, as a matter of fact," said Lupin. "We were friends at
> Hogwarts..."
> Lupin then changes the subject back to the patronus charm.
> 
> The other reason I'm suspicious is that during the filming of SS, I
> read somewhere(?) that JKR asked that James not be shown during the
> flash back scene that shows Lily being killed at GH. I do not have a
> link to prove this as fact, but maybe someone else remembers, or
> knows, where this thought originates from.
> 
> In the PoA movie this male voice is gone altogether. Did they not
> want the audience to recognize the voice of the person at GH?
> 
> If the voice is not James or Lupin, could it be eighteen year old
> Harry?
> 
> What if the voice is time turner Harry at Godric's Hollow?
> (Before you say that Harry should recognize his own voice, remember
> that in PoA he is thirteen years old. By the time he time travels to 
> GH he will be seventeen/eighteen.)
> 
> I had a dream last night that teenage Harry begins to remember what
> happened at Godric's Hollow, and realizes that he is the one that is
> telling Lily to run. (Yes, it's the Back-to-the-Future type movie
> scenario.) Come to think of it, maybe he uses the penseive to dissect
> this memory.
> 
> It would not be the first time that Harry mistook himself to be his
> father (end of PoA dementor patronus scene). SNIPPED
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Okay, if we run with this, then it also makes me wonder about Harry's memory of 
"just talking" with his parents that he really shouldn't have this memory.  He's had 
issues with voices in his head before (Tom Riddle name recognition, the one that 
fights Imperius and the one telling him to kill Sirius) but this memory of talking 
seems odd indeed. 

Say 18 year old Harry turns back and goes to GH before the fateful Halloween night 
and say he then explains whatever he needs to explain to his parents there and the 
three of them *do* end up talking ....and Baby!Harry overhears this conversation and, 
like the way the memory of his mother dying is entrenched in his infant memory, so 
is this one.  

Hmm, you've got me thinking now....  Say Harry goes back in time and ends up 
defeating Voldemort for good before any Potters are killed and changes his own 
timeline so that he grows up completely normal, with both parents and in a world free 
of Voldemort (and without a scar)?  

Arya