Harry as Kreacher was Re: Snape at school was Should Harry have told on DJU

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> 
> > 
> Alla previously:
> > Sorry, Pippin, but no, "little  and wierd, doesn't take care of 
> > himself, etc.,etc." are not my definitions of the horrible being, 
> > even jokingly.
> > 
> > 
> > It is more like that - he is ready and willing to betray Sirius 
at 
> the first possibility, because he adores his dead mistress, who 
> could  not stand Sirius, even though Sirius was her son.<
> 
> Pippin:
> ::blinks:: But Sirius didn't think Kreacher was  going to betray 
> him. In fact, he believed that as long as Kreacher was bound as 
> his House Elf, Kreacher *couldn't* betray him...that was why he 
> refused to set Kreacher free. Why make allowances for Sirius on 
> account of something that he didn't think was even possible?
> 

Sirius did not set him free, because he had his doubts about 
Kreacher, right?

In any event, I did not see anything in particularly horrible in 
Sirius' treatment of him.


Don't get me wrong, I think that House elves should and will be free 
by the end of the books. But, IMO, Sirius treated Kreacher not worse 
than many other wisards and much better than some (Malfoys)



>  It seems to me Kreacher had as much right to admire Mrs. 
> Black, who did turn against Voldemort in the end, as Harry does 
> to admire his father, who also did some contemptible things 
> before he died a hero's death. And don't forget, at the time Mrs. 
> Black died,  ten years before OOP, Sirius was in Azkaban as a 
> supporter of the fiend who'd had his brother killed. She never 
> lived to learn Sirius was innocent.
> 
> Pippin

We disagree here. Of course Kreacher has a right to admire Mrs. 
Black, but this admiration allows me to make a judgment about what 
kind of person Kreacher himself is.

Whether Mrs. Black knew about Sirius' innocence is not very relevant, 
in my opinion.

She treated Sirius' badly while he was a child. How old he was when 
he came to live with James? Sixteen?

So, I don't think she would suddenly begin to love him or even like 
him if she learned about his innocence.

Alla