Who's to Blame/Ending Occulmency/Long

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 100575

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "koinonia02" <Koinonia2 at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> Sherry, I'll just reply to your comments as they are the last I've 
> read on this subject.  :-)
> 
> I am a big Snape fan and I also love Harry but it does no good to 
> constantly ignore the wrong things that Harry has done. He is not 
> perfect nor do I expect him to be so. However, the constant remarks 
> by Harry apologists that *he's only a boy* just doesn't sit well 
> with me. I can be a Harry apologist as much as most folks but not 
> when it comes to overlooking his wrong deeds. Which are many, BTW.


Well, I am not Sherry. But I am going to reply anyway.


Harry's faults, hmmm. Yes, he has quite a few.  Not that I am arguing 
against it. It is just to me any of Harry's wrongdoings pales 
significantly in comparison to Snape's.

So, I can be Snape's apologist too, but not when it comes to 
verlooking his wrong deeds. How about that? :o)

Honestly, I can be Snape apologist, if I try.....really hard. :o)



> Harry is only 15 but he isn't a normal boy and he knows it. Good 
old 
> Voldy wants to kill him and as Harry has met up with Voldemort a 
> couple of times you would think Harry would listen to the advice of 
> others but he doesn't.
>


In the beginninhg of OoP Harry knows that Voldie tried to kill him a 
few times, he has no idea why.


 
> Harry was told by Snape exactly what Occlumency was: 
> 
> ~~Occlumency, Potter. The magical defense of the mind against 
> external penetration. An obscure branch of magic, but a highly 
> useful one."
> 
> "Why do I have to study Occlu --- thing?" he blurted out.
> 
> "Because the headmaster thinks it a good idea," said Snape 
> smoothly.~~
> oop/ch 24/pg 519/us


Let's see. Dumbledore tries to keep a distance from Harry all year 
for reason Harry desperately tries to find out. He is NOT given such 
information and now his most hated teacher tells him "Headmaster 
thinks it is a good idea"


I don't know if I will be very receptive in such situation, to tell 
you the truth.



> snips quote about Snape telling Harry about Occlumency.

> 
> Harry was told:
> 
> * The usual rules did not seem to apply to him.
> * Curse seems to have forged some kind of connection between Harry 
> and the Dark Lord.
> * The Dark Lord is highly skilled in Legilimency.
> * Tells Harry he is sharing the Dark Lord's thoughts and emotions.
> * Headmaster thinks it inadvisable for this to continue.
> * Tells Harry when the connection appears to happen...when his mind 
> is most relaxed and vulnerable...when he is asleep, for instance.
> oop/ch 24/pgs 530-531/us
> 
> * Occlumency is a highly useful branch of magic.
> * It can seal the mind against magical intrusion and influence.
> oop/ch 24/pg 519/us
> 
> Harry knows there is a connection with Voldemort and if someone is 
> trying to teach him how to break that connection then he should pay 
> close attention. Harry made the choice to ignore what people were 
> telling him.



Snape, IMO did not tell Harry ANYTHING new. Harry knows since GoF 
that his scar is the connection to Voldemort. Basically what he was 
told is that the connection strengthened. That's it.


Nothing to indicate how dangerous situation became, nothing about the 
Prophecy, etc.... 


Harry was looking for information all book. The reason why he went to 
Snape's Pensieve was not to look for humiliating memories, but to 
find out what exactly was in MoM.


Harry made quite a few mistakes in this book, but I hold Dumbledore 
and Co responsible for what occurred first and foremost.

 
> 
> "K":
> 
> Isn't this one of the reasons Sirius died? Harry was determined to 
> see what was going on. He didn't want to learn Occlumency. Did 
Harry 
> try as hard as he should have?
>  


Snips quotes about how Harry did not practice Occlumency.

Alla: Harry may not have practiced enough, but he certainly tried.
I again want to make a reference to Annemehr's wonmderful post about 
how Harry did practice Occlumency. I again don't have post number, 
but I have it at home and if you want, I'll find it later.




> "K":
> 
> That's not really true, as I've pointed out before. Harry was told 
> by Snape what Voldemort might try to do from the very first lesson.

Alla: No, he did not tell him ANYTHING about Voldemort trying to lure 
Harry to MoM. Absolutely nothing.
 
> Sherry previously:
> 
> >Dumbledore should have told Harry everything. Once Voldemort had 
> >returned to his body, it wasn't time to protect Harry
> > from the truth anymore.  
> 
> "K":
> 
> I don't think we even know all the truth right now. I still trust 
> Dumbledore and I'm sure there's a reason Harry isn't being told 
> everything.
> 
> Also, who says Harry didn't learn Occlumency to some extent? 
> 
Alla: That very well can be.


Alla