Who is the adult (Was: Who's to blame for Occlumency?)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 100725

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mnaper2001" <mnaperrone at a...> 
wrote:
> And remember, in the end, occlumency wasn't important after all.  
It 
> didn't help Harry one bit.  So how could Snape have failed at a job 
> that didn't really matter?  I think its strongly suggested in the 
end 
> that DD knew about Snape and Harry's falling out and, by that time, 
> had an inkling that occlumency wasn't going to be that important.  
If 
> he thought it was important at that time, then wouldn't he have at 
> least told Harry to keep practicing on his own?  Wouldn't he have 
> sent someone - Lupin, Sirius, etc. - to tell Harry that?  




Alla:
Well, wasn't important and did not really matter are two different 
things, IMO. As Darrin said, it certainly was important in 
Dumbledore's opinion, since he told Harry to study, when he was 
leaving school.


I wanted to comment on the subject of how "sufficiently Harry was 
informed about possible consequences of non-studying".

When Voldie plants in his mind the vision about Sirius trapped in 
MoM, Harry has NO CLUE that it could be a trap, NONE. He is convinced 
that the vision is real.

Yea, he was able to connect the dotes from Snape's bits and pieces of 
information, NOT.



"You don't get it!" Harry shouted at her. " I'm not having 
nightmares, I am not just dreaming! What d'you think all the 
Occlumency was for , why d'you think Dumbledore wanted me prevented 
from seeing those things? Because they are REAL" -OOP, p.734

Nobody bothered to tell Harry that the main reason for occlumency was 
to prevent Voldie from planting FALSE visions in his mind.


And even though Hermione screaches that it could have been just a 
dream, she does not say that it could have been a false vision. No 
wonder that Harry is not prepared to listen.


Yes, most likely Harry would have rush to save Sirius either way, or 
maybe just maybe he would have been more careful with his thought 
process and remembered faster that Snape is a member of the Order 
too. :o)
 
AllY:
> I really suspect that DD hoped all along that occlumency would be a 
> way for Harry and Snape to resolve some of their differences, in 
> addition to teaching occlumency.

Alla:

Oh, of course. this is one of the possible reasons. or that JKR 
simply needed them together for plot purposes.



AllY:
  By the time Snape had his fit, DD 
> was beginning to realize or had realized how little good occlumency 
> was doing, so he let the whole thing drop.  It was a moot point by 
> then.
> 
Alla: Or Dumbledore realised that it was a catastrophe, but trying to 
fix it will make things only worse.